Your summer "List"

^^sounds like a good summer man. make sure to take care of reality before you go to the other realm or you might end up sorry for it.

I think I have some ket coming soon so I will add that to the list, and probably do some in combination as well.

 

I have to disagree. Ketamine is misused, yes, stupid people take big doses at raves and then end up rolling about on the floor and wondering why everyone says that Ketamine is killing raves. But it is definitely a very useful tool, take ~250-400mg, lay in bed, and let the other realm envelop you - it'll teach you a lot. Other dissociatives like DXM and PCP are a far bigger problem really because it is very hard to take enough to learn the same things Ketamine teaches you without other problems (like being semi-conscious for 6 hours for one).

As for why Ketamine gets its stereotype, simply put, because it's used as a party drug. People take small lines for the euphoria and trippy/drunk feeling they get with low doses, except at raves and parties they can't control their intake as well, end up accidentally K-holing and then things get bad. Low dose Ketamine is fun too but only if you can keep it to low dose, and personally I think it's much better outdoors in nature than at a party scene, high dose Ketamine is very introspective and useful - just don't do it anywhere other than your own bed, seriously.

Anyway, my plan for summer is:
- More 4-AcO-DMT
- 2C-E

And if I get to go back to England in August, hopefully some MDMA and LSD, both for the first time. Also, Chemical Brothers concert near the end of August, will most likely take some 2C-E for that.

 

How is ketamine useful for you?

I agree with you its introspective and quite minblowing especially the first few times but like what does it do for you that makes you consider it a tool?

 

Well for one it completely changed my outlook on life, spirituality, and such. I saw many possible future paths on it and it showed me what I had to do in order to end up on each path, allowing me to make the right decisions. It also pointed out flaws in my life that I never noticed before as I went back through early memories during my trips.

One thing I notice with it though is that it does not seem to like the people who use it constantly, they no longer gain the useful parts of the drug. At one point I was using it quite often, I stopped gaining insights from it, so I stopped for a while, used it again and began learning again. It has given me a lot of insights into death and where we all come from, it was quite direct too, not as abstract as psychedelics.

I definitely place dissociatives (or at least Ketamine, and maybe Amanita Muscaria and/or Salvia) up there with psychedelics in terms of what you wish to learn from them. The difference though is they lack the intense euphoria and ecstasy that psychedelics provide, which is kind of ironic given that Ketamine is the more common party drug - when in reality, if someone is going to take a hallucinogen at a party, it should be a psychedelic, or at least a more serotonergic dissociative like DXM.

We often talk about psychedelics as "removing the filters in our brain", but I say this is dissociatives not psychedelics, after all, that is part of the meaning of the word. Psychedelics give us a new perception entirely, while dissociatives knock back the filters of our existing perception.

 

i think im gonna be taking a psychedelic break this summer actually, and maybe for a long while after that also. for some reason i havent felt mentally healthy at all lately, wtf.
but some things i was considering were

mdma at a show
lsd - doubt it even though its around
2cb possibly
dmt

 

Well like alcohol it dims your functioning that's why I thinks its popular with the party crowd. Ketamine basically completely anasthetizes me at high doses and that's quite pleasureable. So like I said before in a previous post it's a deceitful drug. It does provide some sort of peak into death but your wrapped in this nice little sedated bubble unlike psychedelic which will heighten your senses so there is more legitimate sorrow and actual feeling of that experience. There is no chance for acceptance with ketamine to me, pretending death is some ugly girl/guy at the bar that you would never interact with sober, ketamine all of sudden like alcohol makes it seem more attractive and you feel a sense of true connection and understanding. No bad trips for me or any worries in the world ever on it. Just did not care.

I've Also got the sense of people trying to act multiple personas on it and good people just becoming something different like cocaine can make people do.

I dunno psychedelics champions have assisted in the discovery of the double helix, sgt. Peppers lonely hearts club band, a guy throwing a no hitter in baseball, and the iPhone , ketamines leaders was some guy who believed we can talk to dolphins through a mutual language and a great cult psychedelic writer who died to early from drowning in the tub on ketamine.

The only notion I've gotten from if it is indeed a useful tool it was let out of the bag a little to soon.

 

Psychedelic skydiving is on this summer! And of course the high dose, jump off the bridge several times on 4th of July weekend is always on, same channel every summer.

 

You do psychedelics and skydive?

I envy you

 

Suuuuuuuuuper good. SUPER.

Take like 200mg mdma, wait til you explode, and snort 200mg ketamine. K hole while exploding . . . oh my gyyyyaaaawwwwwwddddddddd

one of the most beautiful 1-2 hours in my life, ever. Just lie down with music, and experience.

Use vs. Abuse

GD, ketamine is very hard to use properly imo. It's very difficult to get anything out of it, but when you find what works for you, you will understand why Leary ranked it right beside LSD. Ketamine can potentially be profoundly cosmic shit.

My advice for how to use it properly, is to do 200-250mg (on no tolerance) while naked, in bed, in the dark, eyes closed, listening to whatever you want to try, on good surround sound headphones. Do the line, lie down, and start focusing your attention inwards, looking at the looker.

 

That's crazy. I'd rather not be tripping honestly, get that natural adrenaline high. Have you been skydiving before?

 

Naw, my friend said he would let me go a few times to get the hang of it and then he would determine when I would be ready to. I have base jumped off bridges up to 40 feet into rivers and base jumped with a chute/fan set up that you can fly around with.

 

yes, AND yes!


ketamine and i have personally gone through an interesting cycle of use and abuse...it's sort of like pot for me.


i find that in the larger doses [~300-350mg without a tolerance] i've gotten as closer to emotional objectivity then i've ever thought possible.

though in the low doses it produces a nice anxiolytic effect that is very easy to abuse:coffee:

 

Definitely. And I feel you on the K = pot thing, i have the same patterns of use for both almost.

low doses are quite addictive because of the shortness of effects and how functional you can still be. You could fully perform surgery while doing bumps of K.

 

Hahaha fuck that! Sorry if I come across as jaded I would never want a surgeon performing surgery on me on any amount ketamine. Its scary enough watching ppl drive on little bullets of k.

 

seriously...when i was completing my seemingly bottomless community service last summer i was pretty addicted to it, but nowadays it's all a matter of choice. though i still end up doing it at least a few times a week when i'm sitting on it, but i'm completely fine with my current use

i had my first real K-hole in a while last night.. i reallllly forgot how remarkable it can be. i made sense of a few personal things i've been pondering, very refreshing, but i'm really excited for my mescaline that's on it's way!

 

I'm going to be trying k for the first time in the next couple weeks and I think I'll take your advice - laying around naked

 

This, and low dose fights migraines and acute depression well. Moderation.

 

I have trouble understanding why when I and a few others on here go through a little swing of methylone abuse people seem quick to point that out but abusing ketamine seems to be all fine and dandy and "like pot."

 

Not sure why, though I can speculate. There isn't really any evidence that regular k use has any serious complications. The recreational use level is actually below the pharmaceutical level, and by all indications a k habit isn't actually dangerous. It's unlikely to add to your quality of life, and may detract some, but it there's no indication it will cause long term harm.

Now, with methylone, there isn't really a lot of research either way. However, it is fairly easy to speculate that it's going to have a similar abuse pattern to mdma, and similar side-effects. And extreme overuse of mdma has been shown to cause long term damage. Specifically long-term damage to the seretonin system, which is a really sad thing to end up damaging.

So, although those of us who've been saddened to watch our friends descend into heavy k use, and out of the world for a time, might have some issues with it; hearing about methylone abuse being treated cavalierly feels different. It makes people worry for you.

 

oh I thought almost all dissassociatives increased the risk for olneys lesions and other detrimental cognitive impairment with heavy use. There had to be some intial explorers of ketamine to find out the risks, so goes the same with methylone. Methylone becomes a very different thing at injected regular doses or I imagine high rectal/ oral doses if the subjective effects say anything about the pharmalogical effects it may be less similar to mdmas side effects then what we currently think. But I know little of chemistry and biology that's just assumptions based on anecdotal subjective experiences.

... Oh and urinary tract infections which I can safely say I got mine from ketamine as apparently recent studies have been done and found it does cause this, which I just found out.