Your Salvia Experiences Please...

Woah calm down...Not being rational...Read your last post then come back to me...I am being totally rational, you need to stop jumping down people's throats if they say something you don't like..I am entitled to say I thought your opinon was naive, the same way you can call my idea's silly, I am not going to be offended or have a go at you for that...

 

i tried it one time and it totally twisted my face. Never doing it again, didnt like it. Was avery funny experience though!

 

No you're not. You based an argument on the assumption that I was taking the position that anything currently beyond the understanding of science was metaphysical. I never said any such thing. To attack my argument based on something I never said is not rational.

In fairness, you've been confrontational from the get-go in this thread. I really don't wanna be having an argument about this (especially since we're actually in agreement on the point that seems to be of most concern to you), but you really need to chill over this issue.

Subjecting the metaphysical world (if it exists) to scientific investigation is silly. If something is deemed unproven according to the laws of science, then this proves nothing if the subject matter does not conform to the laws of science.

Now, explain to me exactly how I was naive.

 

That is the quote that is naive....Our lives are science based, but there are things that were outside of our known physical knowledge at one time or another which are now scientific fact. so I do not think wanting proof would preclude any discovery

 

But quantum physics didn't conform to the laws of science as we knew thm at the time....you adapt laws.....but not investigating something is sillier..

 

I don't agree he's been confrontional. Definitely no more than you when you have strong views. He was being direct and funny from what I can see... He then got kinda accused of being lame.

I don't think you're in any position to tell someone to chill over an issue If we have strong views, all of us here put them over strongly.

Also, if someone views your comments as naive it's their opinion and its valid as such. You've said worse yourself so I don't think you can act the wounded on this one I understand why you want him to explain though.

 

That's patently untrue. All the original poster said was:

... to which Koolaid replied....

That's confrontational.

Wrong. I don't attack people out of nowhere like that. For example, I think christianity is a load of bollocks, and if people push it in my face I'll argue that position. But I've never attacked anyone simply for holding an inoffensive opinion. And I've certainly never accused any christian who believes they've had a religious experience of being a charlatan. In fact, I've always respected their integrity. It's only when they try and force that view on the rest of us that I start snarling.

Firstly, this thread isn't about me. If you'd like to pick on me some more, by all means start a new thread. Otherwise let's not change the subject, eh? Besides which, what kind of logic is that? The Dok's an arsewhole so it's ok for everyone else to be an arsehole too? Considering that I've replied to Koolaid reasonably and politely, I'm starting to wonder why I bothered. Seems you don't like nice Dok any more than nasty Dok.

You can put over strong views without being rude.

That's a cop-out. If I say someone's an arrogant fucking ****, then you could call that a valid opinion. Doesn't make it constructive, reasonable or polite though, does it?

So we're back to "you were bad once so you're never entitled to an opinion on anyone else being bad ever again"? What kind of reasoning is that? Would you like me to do some penance or something?

It'll be a cold day in hell before you see me 'act wounded'. I'm expressing an opinion. I'm far more thick skinned than to be particularly bothered about being called naive. Doesn't stop me from pointing out that it's a bit uncalled for though.

 

In what way is that naive? If I was being taken in by a medium and unquestionably accepting what they said, then that would be naive. There's nothing naive about being open minded to the possibility of something though.

I'm not sure if you're understanding me. I never suggested that we shouldn't investigate anything. Nor did I ever suggest that things that we believe to be metaphysical might not come to be explained by science. All I suggested was that we retain an open mind to the possibility that there's more to the universe than is phyiscally measurable. Open minded - not blindly accepting. Without open minds, we never learn anything new, do we?

 

I'm not calling you an arsehole, you seem to be going on the defensive and reading my post in the manner it wasn't intended. You have a right to your views and so does he. Just because I don't agree with your points dosn;t mean I'm having a go at you. And I'm sure that goes for you and Koolaid too. I am just giving a background summary to back up my views I guess

I'll leave it there, as you so rightly pointed out this thread isn't about you and I most definitely don't want to make it personal... I think you were right to ask him what he meant by naive.

On the issue of mediums I am inclined to agree with Koolaid as you do too so you said.

 

Yes, but you dragged up old history and used it in your argument. I've already explained why that seemed unreasonable. Given the fact that I'm attempting to have a reasonable dialogue with Koolaid and given the fact that there's every reason to believe it can remain polite, your post just appeared a little provocative. Sorry if it wasn't intended that way

Yup. I believe that if we survive death in any form, it's highly unlikely that we'd be hanging around to chat with mediums. I don't know enough about it to dismiss all mediums out of hand though, but my instinct is to suspect that even the sincere ones are misled in their beliefs.

 

I'd agree with you, but I suspect you're mistaken

 

Coming back to the issue of salvia....I haven't tried it yet, though I am thinking of doing. I feel I need to pick the right sort of occassion though. I've heard that it is a short and intense experience so it should be interesting. With a decent setting, I should be okay.

 

As of the above post..William Burroughs was on the search for it..Made him quite sick......


Jeez I just like don't like mediums....Never thought I would start such a row...

Am drunk at the moment so not gonna post in reply to what has been said as that would be unfair....Will get back to you....

 

I fucking hate minimums. What are your feelings on maximums?

 

Built roads, apparently.

I myself reckon it might've been the extraterrestrials.

 

Nah, they'd have built runways surely?

 

i was very close to doing salvia once. my mate had a huge hit, passed it on to another mate, who only had a tiny bit, and by the time it got to me the first guy was rolling around on the floor saying "dont do it dont do it"

it took about 15 minutes to get any sense out of him, but when he did manage to verbalise what had actually happened it was quite scary.

he had had some very realistic visuals in which he thought he was in a tall building and it was swaying everywhere which is why he'd been rolling about trying to get his balance, and he said it was the scariest thing ever coz it was so realistic and there was loads of other shit going on that i cant remember now.

it put me off a bit so i ended up not trying it!

peace and love
stardust
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salvia is fucking crazy. I've only done it twice, and i don't know why i did it the second time. I wouldn't say it was a bad experience, it was just so weird. It's like nothing that i've ever experienced. I completly left my body and appeared floating in an infinite blackness. I didn't know where i was, or why i was there. I just knew i didn't want to be there. I could see some things in the distance, images from my past. But i couldn't move closer, i was just floating. Then, after what felt like 5 hours of this, i was suddenly back inside the bus at the peace camp. Feeling very fucking weird and in need of a joint and a cup of tea. It actually only lasted about 5 minutes, and i was apparently lying down waving my leg around, shouting "look at my leg, look at my leg!!!".


But yeah, its something you should try at least once.