Your religion

"You people".... i'm not even all the way thru this thread and i've seen it 3 times now (2 anti-Christian, 1 Christian). You people. One of the most dividing phrases ever.

As a side note (for this quote from Metro)... since i am *Christian* i guess i am one of "you people" but i eagerly await each HP book and am always telling others about them, i like porn, and i sure as shit don't fight revolution being taught. So, for this "you people" you are way off. Yes, there are all types of people in the world and that includes Christians. Different people, different views, diff likes and dislikes... blah blah blah.

peace
barefootnikki

 

there's also my understanding of hell merely being death, a seperation from god. not some fiery torturous torment. i rather like the idea of purgatory. i mean, honestly, if you've got a kid in your house actively bringing the others down, do you keep them around? or do you kick their loser violent ass out?

 

You would kick your own kid out??

 

As long as the person knows that their path was created for them by God they are gonna be all right- they should be able to acknowledge that the other paths were created by God as well.

I have been to hell and it was a purifying experience. There is a reason that there are preachers out there who say everyone will go to hell.

It's more of a childish guilty feeling than anything else. You just feel like you had all these chances to be sweet to someone who cared so much for you and you instead denied that they existed or were taking care of you so you damn yourself... until you realize the foolishness of your actions and happily run back to your creator.

Fear of love lost.

Or the 'rest of the world' is mentally ill and has turned away from heaven and God is patiently guiding people back into a relationship with God.

 

Stupid answers to my questions, if your god denies entry into heaven to good people, then fuck your god.

 

It's easy to say 'Christianity is based on fear''. And just as easy to say 'Christianity is based on hope'.

Christian mystics in past ages claimed the basis of their Christianity was experience of non-ordinary states of being.
Thats really of more interest.

 

Your lack of understanding shows.

Did I say that?

I would if I could.

 

God dictates what is good. We were created by him therefore we are his. He will only deny people who deny him. God does not deny entrance to heaven to good people. He is just and fair. And it is very offensive to swear against someones deity. This is only my opinion.

roly.xxx

 

you are not responding to my questions


your god is petty, if two people had led the exact same life only one believed in jesus and the other was agnostic, believing in something but not sure what, your god would deny the one who was unsure while letting the other one in.

that is moronic.

Even better

If one christian sinned and repented, and a non-christian led a perfectly moral life, then the sinner would get in and the non-sinner wouldn't.

What a load of shit that religion is, its divisive, its based on fear, and most of all it's primitive.

What should matter is strictly how good a person is, end of story.

 

Name them.

 

You see, both the believer and the non-believer are both sinners. You cannot be good enough to get to Heaven, you can't work your way there, and you cannot buy your way there. The only way to Heaven is Christ Jesus. Christ said that "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Light. No one comes to the Father except through Me." We, as humans, have a tendency to sin because of what happened with Adam and Eve back in the Garden of Good and Evil. It's in our nature so we aren't truly "good" people.

Like you mentioned earlier, the sinner who repented will go to Heaven, but the "moral" non-believer won't. Non-believers would imply that this is simply not fair. That is true, however, if God were fair, ALL OF US would be in Hell now. He doesn't want us to go to Hell. That's why He gave us the choice to accept Christ as our savior so that we may go to Heaven.

Now you may think, "well, if I'm going to hell, then I'll be with all my friends." Well, you won't. Hell is real and it is not fun. It is eternal separation from God and your friends.

I'm not trying to scare you and I'm not trying to sound "smarter" than you all but that's the reality. If you don't like what I say, don't shoot me. I'm just the mail carrier. Take it up with God.

But if one becomes a Christian, there is freedom from sin and eternity with God in Heaven forever All you gotta do is admit to God that you are a sinner and accept His Son as your personal savior for your sins and the finished work on the Cross and the Ressurection. That's it. You don't have to work your way to Heaven (you can't, anyway).

I admit that I thought I was a moral person and by believing in God, I'd get to Heaven. It wasn't until my freshman year of college that I started going to church with my aunt and a year later, I got saved. It's the best thing that's ever happened to me. My parents made me go to church until I was in my teens but I didn't get saved until I was almost 19. No one made me. No one "brainwashed" me into the deal. I did it on my own free will. God gave us free will; He didn't create us to become robots. He gave us a choice. Either we chose him or we don't.

If God denied the agnostic who led a "moral" life, it's not moronic. It is the fault of the non-believer.

This is just my explanation. If you still don't agree with me (and I doubt you will), then that's all I got to tell ya', okeedokie?

If you still want more info, I strongly urge you to check out C.S. Lewis' "Mere Christianity." I also urge you to go to www.christiananswers.net. Since I don't know a whole lot about the Bible or any deep questions you might have, that website might help you out. I don't know everything but I do know enough to explain the main pillar of the Christian faith.

CW

 

Christianwriter,

Very good explanation on what it takes to be a Christian.

 

I was refering to the Christians that do this (there are many), so if you are one of them, include yourself. I have no idea how other hipforum Christians act, but if they are as I descibed, then I don't like them.

 

That's terribly judgemental, I am a good person and it doesn't matter to me if you or other Christians don't think so.

I don't think you have to worry about that.

For some reason when I hear statements like this, I double over with laughter.

The brainwashed never realise they are being brainwashed, of course.

Moral is in quotes again.....more self-righteous holier-than-thou BS.

 

There may be no hell, but this surely is a flame pit!

 

Amen

peace
barefootnikki

 

Quote:You see, both the believer and the non-believer are both sinners. You cannot be good enough to get to Heaven, you can't work your way there, and you cannot buy your way there. The only way to Heaven is Christ Jesus

Ha, yea, the old cop out answer. Makes absolutely no sense. So many evil people have accepted Jesus Christ into their lives, and if there is a morally based reward in the afterlife, there is just no way they would be admitted.

What would happen if there were a nuclear war and all information on Christianity was lost? Would mankind be lost just because they have no clue who Jesus was. No one could ever get to heaven again, no matter what they did.

I think Jesus, an enlightened person, would think you primitive Christians are out of your minds.


Quote: You don't have to work your way to Heaven (you can't, anyway).

HAHAHAHA, right, you can't get into heaven for good deeds or being a good person, but only by believing old fables......just stupid.

 

Moonflower...why would you go into a christian thread and start trouble? They have the right to believe what they choose to.

 

Maybe she wanted to slap them in the face to see if they were real Christians and would turn the other cheek.


Nothing wrong with questioning something so spirtritually arrogant as Christianity, especially when they try to influence our government.

 

Whenever I see this thread come up under New Posts (how I primarily view the forums) I get this image of the Energizer Bunny in various forms, sometimes wearing a red cape with a pitchfork, other times a pries outfit, and sometimes with a tourbon on his head.

.....but he just keeps going and going and going - pounding his drum over the same old nonsense. Why people seem so compelled to force feed their beliefs into this thread amazes me. I'm a Christian, though in a non-traditional sense, and I feel that my faith is as stong as the Pope's yet, I have zero desire to force my views on anyone. I don't feel the need to convert people or to be converted. Hmmm, maybe I do a little because I just posted here - no thats not true - the main point was to share my bunny visualization.

People just need to give it a rest. live and let live.