your fucking dog does not want to go on tour..or to the gathering..

Maggie Sugar · Aug 31, 2006

I fail to see the difference between children and dogs.
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I hope you are kidding. Children are human they use spoken language, they learn all though life, they, eventually are able to have control (well, most of them) which makes it possible to not have to watch them to protect them fron danger constantly. Most of them don't bite all that much when angry. I've never had a child pee on one of my tents.

A child can be held while young (a positive way of restraining them) and hold your hand to stay out of danger when older (yet an other form of not only restrant but comfort and safety.) I have also seen toddlers on perfectly safe and welcomed wrist or body harnesses, which are usually reserved for children who have a hard times staying near mama. It is better than one of these babies getting killed by a car, or kidnapped, so yes, there are child leashes, especially when a child may be one who isn't able to listen (I have a freind with a toddler with a hearing impairment, and one with a baby with Down's, neither can follow commands when they are not looking directly AT you, so a harness has saved both of these children's lives many times.) or one who tends to run.

Now, I don't know any dogs who speak a language with specificity, (although I did have a Malamute who could say "I rove rue!") or one who can hold your hand. Dogs are lovely creatures. But, they are not humans, they should be protected in ways which are appropriate to their needs and abilities.

JMO. From the trenches of parenting and dog freindship.

free2fly · Aug 31, 2006

A couple of very responsible, loving-looking dog owners were walking their dogs -leashed, of course- on the trail going by our tentsite. I just happened to be behind the tent as I heard them mumbling something to each other, and then the woman walking the dog, let the dog stop right there, and take a crap. And then ... she walked on as if nothing happened. Didnt bother to kick some leaves or dirt on it to kill the smell, didnt give a damn that our tent was right there.... didnt take the responsibility for THEIR dog. Before I could step out from behind the tent with a shovel to walk behind them to cover up THEIR dogs mound of shit, there were already flies swarming over it. Thats how bad it smelled.

Gee ....thanks, wonderful loving responsible pet owners, for gracing us with the presence of your lovely animals. BUT if you cant take a moment to cover your dogs shit, leave your dogs at home.

free2fly · Aug 31, 2006

earthmother said:

Dog ownership and behavior is not just black and white. Dogs run on instinct, no matter how good their training is. They do not have reasoning minds, they can't think "oh, I shouldn't do this or that" they only have whatever training they have which sometimes can override their natural instincts, and each dog has its own unique personality, so that comes into play also. Luckily you have a dog with the right sort of personality to deal with other strange dogs, but this is not the rule. A more submissive dog will roll on its back or lower its head when confronted by another dog and this tells the other dog that they are not a threat. But lots of folks do not have those kinds of dogs. Dogs are very similar to children and usually in the dog owners mind, it IS their child. But dogs can be far more dangerous than children. What if everytime our children met some of them had no discipline and had been given weapons to use as they wished? It is futile to make that comparison.

I own 15 dogs. There is not one of them that I would care to take to a gathering. Not because of what they might do, but because of what could happen to them. I care about them too much to put them in harms way. Because the bottom line is that alot of folks for some unknown reason, like to have dogs that carry the natural instincts of the fighter. It is a very unnatural environment for a dog to be put in a position where there are alot of other strange dogs.

I do think that people with very small dogs should NOT take them to gatherings. They have all the disadvantage in a group of larger strange dogs. I also think that if your dog is well behaved at all times, there is no reason to keep it on a leash, but at a gathering where the situation is constantly changing, there is no real way to know what will happen in any given dog meeting. It just seems to me that the energy it would take to have a dog with you and the constant attention it would require in regards to meeting MANY other strange dogs, would take so much time and energy that it would detract from being able to enjoy the gathering.

The attitudes of the dog owners come into play as well. We had a gathering at our home this summer. I was on my way with my dogs to pen them up as the people were starting to arrive. Just as I was crossing the road heading for the dog yard, someone walked up who had just arrived with a chiuaua on a leash. She saw that my dogs were loose at the moment but she ignored that. One of my small chiuaua type dogs jumped on her dog for just a second, then quit. My dogs argue amongst themselves far worse than that. But she came unglued, and starting threating me. I had NO time to even appologise or ask if her dog was ok, let alone explain that I was on the way to pen them up. She was all over me, totally rude. She make such a spectacle, meanwhile my dogs just went about their business bothering nobody. I finally had enough of her and told her if she couldn't
improve her attitude she could take her dog and leave... So in essence, the owner became far more of a problem than the dogs.

It is entirely up to you whether you take your dog to gatherings or not. But you must take some responsibility for putting it in that type of environment. It is not just the other dogs fault, or the other dog owners fault if something goes wrong.
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...amen.

nutznfl · Sep 1, 2006

I 2'nd That amen

HonorSeed · Sep 1, 2006

how bout the festival provide free muzzles to all dog owners and requirer them to make the dogs wear them? That way they can do all hte butt sniffin they want without getting all snappy over who has the better butt smell?

Jstone · Sep 1, 2006

Would the muzzles require permits? Just a joke..
The butt sniffin thing would make a great Sinfeild episode. I am no comedian either.
Peace

Jstone · Sep 1, 2006

Good Luck and Good bye in your quest for peace. ... Leave you with all your judgments and assumptions. Seems the journey continues as I don't understand your path of peace .. Leavin with my belly button attatched.
Hope you figure out the dog thing and hope you understand what you creat with your hate.
I Love and respect those true to Rainbow. Keep Loving the world needs you.
Still love ya.. Peace

Sunshine

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