You know why stoners are viewed badly by the rest of the world?

this thread is retarded anymore.

 

here's what i think is interesting. The author of this thread continually talks about how "stoners" are the ones that ruin marijuana for everyone, and that they are the ones that are keeping it illegal. I think we can take a direct look at this logic under a different microscope: prohibition. The were people getting drunk as hell during prohibition. Moonshining was at an all time high, and there were many alcoholics. This was the reason that alcohol had been made illegal, it was bad for your health and "immoral" Prohibition ended not because the big wigs in charge decided that it was no longer unhealthy and ammoral, they repealed prohibition because they realized that it was an unwinnable war.

The point is that there weren't less people "disrespecting" alcohol, or less alcoholics, and the government suddenly realized that alcohol isn't that bad, they just realized that the prohibition laws were doing more harm than they were preventing.

It is a mirror image in the drug world. As soon as the government realizes that the war on drugs causes more problems than it solves, the laws will be repealed. Its not a matter of people "respecting" marijuana, there will always be "stoners" just as there will always be alcoholics, it is a matter of the government realizing that the laws are not useful.

 

well said dutch.

 

i have never skipped school to smoke weed. i have skipped school because i just cant take being a fucking robot anymore. my school is incredibly fucked up atm, its just the same thing for the last 5yrs and the primary school before that, some people can just be a program, i get tired. when i want to, i get things done ten times better and faster than most people, its just the fact i dont see no point. i dont know what i will do once school finishes, i dont care about reall high education, i just wana get a good office job or something and with a bit of time move up to managing or supervising or something. i think i will find extra ways of making money.

digitall where did you get the condo you are renting atm anyway? was it inheritance because it might seem cool to talk from high horse but i aint going to get shit from my family, they are all stupid fucks who havent got anything in theire lives, basicly when im 16 or 18 i will have to start from scratch. i hate the way i have to live atm, just because my mum doesnt care about her or mine future.

btw even tho you or others might still think it, i aint no wasteman, most of the shit thats happening atm in my life hasent been influenced by me, just by people who cant take care of themselves, yet decide to bring a child of theirs into this world

 

well good luck doing that without higher education. Nowadays, moreso than ever, it is extrememly important to have a college degree to get a good job.

 

college degree isnt what i mean by reall high education, im talking about no oxford or harvord or all that, obviously i will go college

 

i would check my spelling on words like "real" and "harvard" before i call someone stupid.

and higher education doesn't mean what school you go to, it just means college in general. there is no hierarchy of like, a local university is high education, a state school is higher, and an ivy league school is highest or something, so when you say that you aren't interested in high education, it kind of leads one to think of college in general

 

imo u cant even compare prohibition to todays current marijuana situation, looking back at prohibition it was such a stupid/lack luster enforcement that even the simple farmer etc. would walk into a town he had never been in before and grab a drink, where there's money to be made there's a will.

As well, the government did not spend billions of dollars trying to enforce prohibition. I would have to belive that no person in their right mind who had some sort of education regarding society and rights thought that prohibition would last for any sort of extended period of time, thats like saying we'll ban Automobiles, yet the rest of the world manufacturers and uses them, so eventually outside influence would have to effect the native situation, and most likely end or lessen the hold of a "prohibiton" situation on the government enforcing it

take North Korea for an example, kim jong ill [sp] doesnt let people watch anything but russian TV, nearly no one has their own car, and he tells the people how to think

yet the guy loves Mercedes benz cars, is obsessed with the NBA and his favorite golfer is Vijay singh

outside influence effects everything in this world and even for a super power like the USA, if Canada and mexico made mariujuana legal you can bet that the USA, although stubborn wouldnt be far behind

 

I bought it myself...

although i dont have it 100% paied off, i'm paying the mortage off through the tenants, and using money i had saved through working i made the downpayment

real estate is an investment, I could flip that condo right now and make nearly 70k on it just since the market has gone up since i first bought it, but I will probably want to live there once I own it in full

when you have money tied up in real estate, that condo sitting there is an asset, it's the same thing as money sitting in your bank, if u ever really need to make a withdrawl, you sell it and the money is in your hands

 

^ i though u need to bring in like 20% of the full price in order to get a mortgage, so did you just save it up? also you just gave me a great idea, i might just do something like that. did u like research todays price rises and all that, or is it just deffenately permanetnly rising

 

well imo if you cant put up at least 35% of the total cost as a downpayment you shouldnt be buying, but alot of people put like 10g's down and are paying outrageous payments monthly

i got a hook up through a friend who's an agent though so he helped me find a great place for an investment

 

your outside influences idea doesn't really hold water considering America was an isolationist state at the time of prohibition. They couldn't give a fuck what other countries were doing. And if no one thought that prohibition was going to last long they must have not had much faith in American government. It was an amendment to the constitution of the United States. It is also the only amendment to have been repealed. Current US drug policies aren't even amendments. In order for there to be an amendment to the constitution, it has, historically, had to have been something worthwhile, like giving voting rights to blacks, women and people over the age of 21.

And you hit the nail on the head on the kim jong il thing when you said that he tells people what to think, but you missed the point. Him enjoying American things while he 1984's his people doesn't show the power of outside influence, its just a reflection of some asshole in power trying to stay in power.

And i disagree that if mexico and canada legalized marijuana America would too. It is my opinion that America is still far too conservative, and would most likely put pressure on Canada and Mexico through economic trade sanctions to keep them from legalizing it.

 

Digitaldj, you are correct, thats marijuana for you, those are the side effects and the majority of potheads fall right in the trap of being lazy and having no motivation, its the actual side effect of the drug, so why are you complaining when its what it is, thats marijuana for you. And that is one of the reasons why its illegal, so people can get things done, I mean if everyone smoked pot then it would be a downfall to civilization, for the most part. I mean you smoke pot right, so why are you gonna degrade yourself, because thats what your doing. Your just demeaning yourself. So just go back to smoking pot and being useless because thats what you do best, right?

 

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I disagree. If the rest of the world legalized marijuana, then America would soon follow, conservative or not. The American perception of marijuana dangers would be ruined when other industrialized countries didn't collapse after legalization. The whole idea behind marijuana prohibition would be discredited, and evidence supporting legalization would be overwhelming. The government would look silly if it didn't legalize.

And believe it or not, the U.S. doesn't want to be isolated from the rest of the world...


...yet

 

here we go, hop back on the mary-go-round

by your reasoning, Alchohol should definatly be legal then, because i'm pretty sure alot more people become creative and productive through marijuana then they do drinking alchohol

and those side effects are only again what the non-stoner, propagandist, right wing people push on the public to make them belive marijuana is the hideous monster is it

from the beggning of this thread i've never singled anyone out, nor have I said that this is what pot is

what i've always been getting at are the individuals, and sometimes groups of people who perpetuate stereotypes to the point that the media and governments take advantage of it, and use it for their benefit to further push home the point of the "war on drugs" and why MJ should be illegal, when in fact like a good stay at home NHL defenseman, when individuals do the RIGHT thing, smoke marijuana responsibly and act in an appropriate manner, they receive no credit.

 

Yep, I'm currently studying for my real estate license and I should have it by fall. I'm only doing it to get through college as I'm studying for a PhD and finance for that long of a time could become unreliable.

But anywho, I'm not sure about Canada, but in the states it's a buyer's market, so if it's the same I'd definately reccomend holding onto it. Once you've paid it off, take out an equity loan and use it as a down payment to buy another condo to rent out. The rent on that will pay for the condo itself, and the rent from the first condo will pay for the equity loan.

I'm sure you know this already but I figured I could get something in to the rest.

 

Digitalldj never stereotyped every user, you just did. I smoke and I'm currently studying for a PhD in particle physics. But I guess you're saying that I should just drop out of college because I smoke, right? Hmm, sounds like you're encouraging people to be lazy.. Nah, you wouldn't do that..

 

all praise ddj!... wtf are u rambling about now

 

Well I'm not a slacker at all. I'm in all honors classes and I'm in the 95th percentile in my psat score. These are just stupid stereotypes.

 

digitaldj, youre just a arrogant prick.