You hardly ever see Liberals become Conservatives

i grew up very liberal in southern california. while i still see the value in supporting those less fortunate than myself, i don't see where the government has any business doing it, since they fuck it all up anyway. my ideals have not changed, but my beliefs on how they should be implemented did a 180 turn.

 

It's been proved with numbers buddy. There are more left wing teachers. Especially at the middle school and elementry levels. Because teachers are left wing, they teach biasedly and they insert their ideas into their teaching. Right wingers do it also. But since there are much more left wing teachers there is a much more dramatic effect. especially since more left wingers teach younger students, students that don't really have their own set of beliefs yet.

 

I'm not sure how much of a political influence teachers tend to be on students, especially at the younger levels. Parents are the number one influence, and from my experience kids usually won't give a fuck what the teachers say if it's against what their parents tell them. There are exceptions of course, but that's what I think is more common.

 

I will have to agree with you, definitely that is what is happening in my area. Teachers are mostly liberal, but parents are very conservative. Kids are conservative, for the most part.

I don't really see the rebel instinct in these kids, and I'm like "What's wrong with you people! You're young!" But they tell me I'm a freak... well oh well probably true...lol...Maybe it's only a matter of time before the general population of the school rebells and thinks more liberal. I sense it's time to go from teeny-boppers to young people! then we'll all get old and sell-out and go conservative... maybe its just the natural way of life

oh well... only time will tell....

~~~~peace~~~~~

 

LickHerish, Reagan was a democrat in his youth. To be so "intellectual" you made a pretty big mistake. I have no support of welfare at all, i want it ended and i want our military cut as well. Too much of our tax dollars are wasted. Also i fail to see how much "shit" someone goes through in order to get free money. I am one of the older conservatives who believes that thier is a job for anyone who wants one.

 

Proven where West Point? By the Republican National Commitee? Most of my positions in my posts represent my opinions and when I do involve facts, I back it up with proof. If you can show me one legitimate article from a credible source that backs up your claim that lower grade teachers are on average more likely to lean to the left than to the right, then maybe I'll believe that your claim concerning public schools and their teachers are liberal as something other than a bogous generalization based on YOUR beliefs that you can't back up.

If this is indeed true - that those who teach lower grades are more likely to be liberal, I guess I must be an exception. My elementary school educators (public - a distinction you made from private) had no affect on me as I just followed the herd (my parents) and believed in the conservative side of most arguements that my young mind could understand.

Then when I got to high school (which was private and according to your theories should be very conservative) I was exposed to more information and view points, which was the start of what has lead me to be liberal in my beliefs today as opposed to conservative.

If you're gonna say its in the numbers buddy, then I want to see those numbers buddy.

 

My sister applied for TANF about 2 months ago. She has yet to get any money out of it....An extensive job search is required before they give you anything, and she's REQUIRED to apply at 48 different places of employment every MONTH. Not a single one of them has called back....so where's that oh-so easily aquired job at? She's wanting one pretty fucking bad right now, but jobs don't just fall out of the sky and into your lap. You don't see how much shit people go through to get assistance simply because you don't WANT to see it. It's much easier for you to assume they're lazy crackheads or something, that way you don't have to admit that your a fucking jackass. It's your own opinion and your welcome to keep it, but that doesn't make it right or truthful.

 

Is she looking at ANY kind of job? I do mean ANY, not just her specialty or her pick. I want to know if she has looked AT EVERY JOB available.

 

I can't show you number because I don't have any.However I didn't just make this crap up to back up my statement, I don't beleve in useing Michael Moore techniques. My information comes from US news. Believe me if you want, makes no difference to me, i'm simply making an arguement with all possible knowlege I have.

 

If you can't back it up, then I'm really struggling as to what knowledge you actually do have. I'm sorry, 'My information comes from US news', doesn't cut it.

Well that's the difference between you and I. What techniques do you believe in then? I don't believe in Michael Moore techniques either except for the occasions that he represents actual fact. If you didn't make this crap up, where did it come from?

You know, there once was a man who thought the earth was flat......


.........that being said, if you can't back up your opinions up with facts, your voice is very weak.

 

Unless you consider a gas station clerck or McD's job a "specialty" , then YES.

 

I've told you I'm simply parroting knowlege I have learned in the past. believe me or not it doesn't matter but don't mock me. All im trying to say is, if someone turns liberal, it is not because they go through the public school system and get more educated. If it is because of public education, it is because of biased teaching. However if you are to a college and specialize your education in politics and decide to turn liberal, that my be different. But you must realize, the door swings both ways.

And if you want to see liberals in education, take a look at the universities of America.

 

What in the hell are you trying to say? You certainly are confusing me.

First you say this

"Kid's that go through the public education system are more likely to have liberal ideas because teachers tend to be left wing."

then you say this.....

Apparently, not only does the door swing both ways, but so do your convictions.

 

I dont see any contradictory statements in there... so let me put the two together so that you're inept brain can concieve what I'm trying to say.

"Kids that go through the public education system are more likely to have liberal ideas not because of superior education but because of biased education."

See what I'm sayin?

 

Finally a somewhat sensible arguement, not that I agree with it, but it took a little while for you to get there.

Now I will state my opinion as to why I disagree. This is an opinion - it's not 'in the numbers buddy'

Great education systems whether they are public or private, kindergarten through the Ivy league consist of great educators. What does a great educator do? He or she teaches their students to reach, to ask questions, to reach a little bit further and to be an individual with their thoughts - to think progressively. This is not biased teaching, this is good teaching.

 

I don't see how teaching someone to be and individual and think progressively will turn someone liberal.

 

I don't know if this is true or not, it is just what I happen to notice around me, but it seems that the more educated one is the more liberal, or at least tolerant they become. I wonder why that is?

 

I think in some respects it definitely can. When you start thinking critically, you start questioning things that you once believed in wholeheartedly. Thus, often established ideals are questioned (religion, traditions, taboos, etc.), ideals which more often than not coincide with conservative views. Not always the case, but I think that conservative ideas fall by the wayside more often once people get to questioning them. Maybe they won't turn liberal, but they become more open to other views, and steer away from the right.

 

So she just ignored the lower levels jobs? Then it's her own dam fault.

 

ummm, are you not capable of READING?! She has applied, dumbass.

there, maybe that'll be a little easier for you to u-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d.