You get 7-to-8 hours of sleep. But when you awaken...

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by bourne1978, Apr 23, 2024.

  1. bourne1978

    bourne1978 Members

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    But when you awaken you only remember what seems like up to 1 hour worth of dreams when you first fell asleep and up to 1 hour worth of dreams just before waking up. For some reason you just can't remember 5-to-6 hours of dreams in the middle of your 7-to-8 hours of sleep. Maybe your soul was absorbed back into God up in heaven before being put back into your body down here on earth. The absorption might be real for who is rather a mystic than something else they've been misled to believe they are.

    For 7-to-8 hours of sleep should equal 7-to-8 hours of dreams. But it never does. What's up with that? Could you be a mystic and just never realized it yet? Short story on me... I used to believe I was a Christian until I realized I had rather been a mystic my whole life. This is how it usually goes for mystics. They don't know until they have a realization about being it.
     
  2. wilsjane

    wilsjane Nutty Professor HipForums Supporter

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    The strange thing about dreams, is that they always seem to be associated with the past in some way.
    I do not believe in reincarnation in a mumbo jumbo way, But I do believe that we inherit experiences. These could go back countless generations and since they are locked in our parents brains, they could be their thoughts and dreams as well as their personal experiences.
    Sometimes for some reason I seem to know that I am dreaming and as an engineer, I know that the architectural features, brick types and bonds use actually exist. I simply don't know where.

    For some reason, serious programs on dreaming and it's connection to the past hardly exist and those that have been made have been taken down and mysteriously lost. Almost the same as UFO sightings until recently, this make the whole subject even more strange.

    A few years ago, after watching a documentary I contacted ABC Australia for more details. They fobbed me off, then denied that the program ever existed and finally suggested that I must have watched during one of my dreams. I laughed it off at the time, but was their light hearted suggestion possible.??????????
     
  3. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Advaita Vedånta on dreamless sleep:
     
  4. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    Scientists link sleep states with changes in brain chemistry.

    Next they will understand the mechanisms that underlie our sleep states, which will explain much about what we perceive in dreams and lack of memory about them.

    They already know which parts of the brain lie dormant during the various sleep states, as well as the parts that are activated.

    If short-term memory is shutdown for some of your sleep, then you're less likely to remember that part of your dream/sleep.

    In fact, memory processing seems to be a major part of sleep. Some say it is to process the memories into deep memory or toss out the debris that is unimportant.

    Think of it like clearing your phone's memory cache. The better your sleep process the clearer you can be the next morning.

    So if you're having trouble sleeping, you're not processing your memories effectively. You're either too preoccupied by worries or things from the past, like traumas or other intense memories. Think PTSD.
     
  5. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    The waking brain is a self-organizing system that does a drunkard's walk, between order and chaos, while the sleeping brain appears to have several different modes. A race car engine is a good analogy, it can idle quietly but, when you step on the gas, it roars to life, and requires more time to calm down again, sputtering and hesitating at times. In sleep, our mind is constantly working its way down to homeostasis, then working its way back up again to conscious, and back to homeostasis. People will even snore louder, the more ambient noise there is in the room, and even our dreams can be thought of as a way to distract the conscious mind in sleep, to prevent us from waking up to frequently.

    So, sleep is balance between the conscious and unconscious mind, that helps to regulate the depth of our sleep, so we can wake up in an emergency. But the point of sleep appears to be memory consolidation, in which different parts of the brain that may not have been keeping in touch with each other, can share notes. Making sleep a way to promote democracy and consensus among our neurons. Harmony neither acts nor reasons, and the cells of our bodies naturally seek out harmony.
     
  6. Bazz888

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    I think I can relate to a lot of that and also, agree with much of it too.

    When I was 8 or 9 yrs of age and my (teacher) mother was helping me get the pro-nouns into my head, (I, me, we, us, you... etc), She told me to learn such things just before bedtime. Spellings too.
    Pretty much anything that required to be recalled as learned, definitions, scripts (like of a school play) and lists, to repeat them before bedtime until perfected.
    Then, first thing next morning, at breakfast, she would get me to recite them.
    I didn't just know them then, I knew that I knew them, if that makes sense.
    They were almost second nature to me.

    I recall them now as though they are hard-wired into my brain.
    Also, if I have been doing a lot of programming, writing the software, on a given day and I don't take a long enough break with a good night's sleep before re-commencing next day, I won't be able to recall what I did that previous day or pick up the train of thought which I had 'yesterday'. A good night's sleep makes all of that much easier to stay on top of and when I waken, I can recall the whole previous day's process, what I did and where I left off, ready to pick it up again.

    Sleep is important.
    Sort of screws everything up when the best time to write software (and to get into the 'zone'), is in the dead of night with silence throughout, which makes a normal sleep pattern impossible. :(
     
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  7. Twogigahz

    Twogigahz Senior Member

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    I seem to only remember the last dream...three times out of four they're usually something strange or frightening or being lost or such...and when it's something fun or sexual, it usually evaporates quickly. I've read that we don't remember because we cannot put a visual with the dream, it's like one dimensional. Can you imagine being able to roll back a few hours of dreams every night? Sometimes my dreams are oddly very detailed.

    I've wondered, do you think dreams happen in real time? Or is it something that happens in the last few seconds of sleep and only seemed long?

    Can anyone do lucid dreaming, like setting up the stage for your dream? I always thought if I concentrated on something before I went to sleep, maybe I'd dream about it, but no luck.
     
  8. skip

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    If short term memory gets deleted upon sleep, and doesn't turn on again until you start to wake up, it could allow you to remember your last dream.

    It can also explain why you have difficulty trying to put your immediate thoughts into your first dream. And I suppose if it did work, you'd forget it anyway, unless you wake up during that dream.

    Now that I think about it more, it seems that the KEY TO SLEEP is disconnecting the short term memory, or at least putting it in another state.
     
  9. Twogigahz

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    Not to mention, I sleep like crap. The instant I wake for anything, the brain goes into high gear. Now, her, she BAM goes right to sleep where it takes me an hour. She can get up in the middle of the night to go, usually wakes me up then I'm done, and BAM seconds, she's back asleep. Sometimes it really pisses me off......
     

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