Wtf? Surprised At The Sexist Attitude In The Mmj Industry

maybe in the country where you live, but as GB posted above, certain aspects of the ads are technically illegal and others are borderline.
By asking for "Model Female Budtenders" they have already violated the law.
By requesting photos they are surreptitiously screening applicants based on criteria that violate U.S. labor laws.

Please do not attempt to "educate" me on this topic as you do on every other, Asmo.
I have 20+ years of retail management experience and am well versed in labor law.

 

So you know this kind of thing goes on all the time, in various forms. It's usually just not done quite so openly.

Many interviewers keep two sets of interview notes. After a hiring decision is made, the original interview notes are shredded and replaced in the files by watered down notes that are much more politically correct.

 

Where do you live that asking for photos with a resume is normal? Hollywood?

 

Doesn't matter that it goes on all the time, it is still a violation of U.S. labor laws.
yup, I'm aware of all the technically illegal shit that goes on, and I didn't do that kinda crap.
But the law is still the law, sadly though it is very difficult to prove why a person was or wasn't hired, all one can go on is practices overall and if there is specific trend that would indicate unfair hiring practices.

Karen, It almost sounds as if you are condoning or excusing this type of crap.
Do you surreptitiously discriminate when you are hiring or do you consider only their qualifications?
I already saw that in some odd way you sound as if you don't object to wage differences between men and woman and chalk it up to an antiquated concept of women being inferior employees because they bear children.
Should we assume you discriminate against woman?

 

In front-line retail (where I haven't been in several years), ugly employees can sue you if you don't hire them, but if you do hire them, you can't sue the public when they take their business elsewhere. So, the manager has to bend the rules, in order to survive. They're caught in the middle.

The law has a long, detailed list of acceptable things to consider as qualifications, but my experience often tells me something else. Most of these regulations were written by politicians who have never run a business of any kind. If I don't make the right hires, it could put the business at risk, and therefore risk the jobs of everyone who already works here.

I'm liberal, but not always politically correct. I can't hide from harsh realities.

If a woman is 50 years old and only has ten years of relevant job experience, it really doesn't matter to me why that's the case. If I treat her differently because she stayed home with her kids by choice, I would be guilty of discriminating against men.

If they really were willing to do the exact same quality and quantity of work for less money, I'd be very tempted to hire only women.

If you're curious, the mix here in the office is about 50-50.

 

Complains about sexism.

Drools over bubble butt sales staff.

 

guess you missed the above.

 

No I didn't.

 

Those kinds of photos never worked on me...nor do the nude men Chippendales and things. If anything, the business feels discredited to me when that is what they use.

 

Typical of America.

I'll give a couple of fictional examples that illustrate why it's hard to completely finish off job discrimination, even outside of retail. Let's say a guy shows up for a job interview in a wheelchair. I didn't know this about him before he arrived. In the first example, he's applying for a graphic designer job, where you sit in front of a computer all day and produce graphic images that are going to be used in advertising. His education and experience look good, and the examples of his work that he brought along are excellent. I'm going to hire him. No problem.

In the second example, the same guy is applying to be an account rep. He would have to regularly visit business clients at their locations. Legally, physical fitness is not supposed to be a requirement for that job, but the reality is different. Clients are free to go with one of my competitors if they send over a rep who is more impressive face to face, and all other factors are equal. It really shouldn't work that way, but I'm not in a position to force these people to change the way they think and act. I'm not going to set the guy up for failure. He really needs to be looking for a different kind of job.

I'll push for a more fair society in any way I can, but I won't act as if we're already there.

 

Its so common here to have at least a pic of your face standard as part of your resume that you already have one point against you if you don't. I guess its so normal here to wanna see what you look like if you're applying for a job where you deal a lot with customers in person I don't see the big deal. But they're not asking for models as far as I know.

 

as I said, it is almost impossible to prove a person was discriminated against in single incidence, the only time these things actually "hit the fan" is when a company shows a clear trend in their hiring practices that violates labor laws.
and I agree, there are some practical reason for not hiring some folks and some things are ridiculous in the degree of "political correctness", but honestly those budtender ads are blatantly violating certain laws.

I'm 1000% confidant I could do the budtender job better than 99% of the hot girls I've encountered doing it (one girl couldn't even add $5 + $20 - $5, she had to use a calculator, but she is a cutie) but because of my age and sex I wouldn't even be considered.
and it is not a position where age or sex actually impact the job whatsoever.
they just want girls who are eye candy.

 

then you comprehended the "tongue in cheek" humor as I intended, right?

 

...unless a company is very foolish about what it keeps in its files. I've seen that happen a few times, and I always wonder what they were thinking. My handwritten notes on employees stay in my personal possession or under lock and key until it's time for them to go to the shredder, and I feed them into the machine with my own hand. Everything saved on the laptop hard drive is squeaky-clean, always ready for the EEOC.

One good trick for retail-oriented businesses is to organize in terms of job assignments rather than job titles, within the store. If you keep the ugly people in the back, out of sight, there's no paper trail if it's only a task assignment within a vague, blanket job title that covers a lot of people.

In small, Southern towns, it's almost as prestigious in terms of bragging rights to be hostess at the best restaurant in town as it is to win homecoming queen. The owner (who probably looks like shit) wants some eye candy to be the public face of his business. She's the first person you see, and that first impression is so important.

The big downside is, jobs like that don't have any future. It's just a short term thing for a young girl. If you learn a lot about cooking, that could become a long-term career. Thirty years down the road, you could own four restaurants and have a cookbook in bookstores.

Back to your example, the hot girls selling weed over the counter are never going to own one of those places.

 

Karen I never kept two sets of notes, no need to. You can get a good feel for someone with having to be sneaky about it.
but remember I was also the manager that would prompt employees to join the union and to stand up for their rights under that agreement. Got my ass chewed once by the DM when talk of a strike was in the air because I encouraged the employees to vote on it.
I have a keen head and eye for retail management, good people skills for customer service (honestly, I do), but always bucked the system when it came to enforcing unfair or discriminatory practices much to my professional detriment.

"Back to your example, the hot girls selling weed over the counter are never going to own one of those places."
Hmm, so you agree with the "dumb blonde" stereotype than?

the more you reveal about your personal business practices, the more I am beginning to question your character.

 

Can't personally relate; never have been with a company that would be a good candidate for unionization. Without a lot of repetitious tasks or employees with identical backgrounds, union organizers don't know where to start.

I believe the concept does exist. Hot girls do need to be aware that their need for a job is going to outlast their looks by several years, unless they marry into money. Coasting on looks too much can lead to bad outcomes.

Oh come on, you've always questioned my character! :rofl: Hating business owners is the American way!

But seriously, when you have a successful business, your employees are counting on you to look after the overall heath of the company, for as long as they choose to work there. If I don't do that, I'm stabbing them in the back, as well as hurting myself. Customers are a cynical, heartless bunch, and we have to worry about everything they do and think. No customers, no paychecks.

 

yup, guess that's why our summer program is bombing and we are now wondering if we will have any income this summer.

 

Summer program?

 

we have our own business doing science themed after school clubs and a summer day camp for elementary school aged kids.
posted something about in "facts about you" thread
we've had lots of interest and verbal "I'll be there" from people, but no $$$ yet.
we do have an event contracted with one of the school districts, but that is only gonna be about $1,250-$2,500 depending on how many kids show up.

and to put people at ease, I have very little to do with the kids, that's the wife's job, I do the office crap and help prep things and stuff.

 

If they need t and a to sell stuff, usually it means the business is a tad desperate or their main demographic is 'blokes'.

I'd suspect both in this case.

Give it a couple years, see how many places like this pop up. If the legal price ends up being the same of even more than the blackmarket price.


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