Wouldn`t it be grand...

your outward pessimism equals realism......as much as i would love a whole country full of hippies......these will be the issues that will arise.

.....I hope that people here will realize that "Utopia" will never be realized on this planet....in this existence...

 

This is a point that I used to try to make alot on this forum.

Pessimism and realism are two different things.

Per example...

Me saying that there will never be world peace is not pessimistic, it's realistic. Some things, utopias, are way too far-fetched to ever actually exist or work.

 

for some people....nay, most people....pessimism=realism, and vice-versa.

people just cant take reality at face value

 

I agree with this part, looks great and more realistic:

 

stypidest idea ever

1. first of all, this "country" will be so disorganised and week that even Macedonia could take the contrl over her

2. hippies don't like to study or work much, most of them are artists, what will people live of?

3. small comunities are the begining of birocracy, soon there will be bigger, and bigger and soon everything will be organised like in this society

4. every funkcional contry/society has a lider, lider is against hippy philosophy because "we should be all equal and free"

5. education, helth care are the basic human needs, not mentchioning all the other side things like night life, tv, internet ..... someone will have to take care of that and soon everyone will be working from 9 to 5 and there goes your freedom

6. money?

7.......

there are many more reasons that show that this idea wont work
the hippies don't have the idea for their ideal society and thats why thay can't have their country because their life style is against every country and every society

they live in certan society (today - capitalism) and break his ruls, but they still can't live without the society

think twice before you say something

 

Isn't the concept of "utopia" something we aspire to, but it can never be achieved?...
And, even big organized countries have a hard time functioning, how would a big country of idlers function?...Organizaton is partition into smaller units, right?..
So, my point is, if you want something to be organized and functional, split it in smaller parts as much as you can...
Bottom line, I agree with Rubin

 

I think it would be beautiful. It'd be like one gigantic community. Sigh, I wish something like that existed now. communes are a dying breed.

 

I thought there was one, called "California"

 

I did. Doesn't it looks great to you? And it looks more realistic then the country idea. Don't know if your post was a reply on mine or on the topic in general though..
And of course it needs a lot to make it actual realistic.

 

I think some people are getting way too uptight about this. The original poster was most likely just wishful thinking, not intending to attempt to construct an actual country. Therefore, who cares if it is realistic or not? Can't a person dream?

 

My post was reply to the topic in general, but it doesn't mather. No it doesn't looks great to me? It's not realistic at all and i said earlyer why. Get real!

 

I am real! :tongue:

 

Think of little decentralised communities like monasteries for example. They were (and some still are) pretty succesful in creating a peaceful and selfsufficient community. Of course a hippie community would look pretty different haha, but I think it could be possible for sure.

 

ok, if you are so sure, make a whole concept with every funkcional fragment in one society

show us the whole idea in detales and we might beleve in it

 

No, I don't have the time and neither the will to work it all out. I was just giving my opinion on this topic, just like you.

Just a question (out of interest): can't anything that doesn't look realistic to you, look great?

 

No, my feet are alwaus on the ground and i only like real things and ideas wich might come true or at least there is a slightest possibility.

 

So a thing like world peace for example is not likeable for you (for it's quite unrealistic)?

 

Not at this point of human conchessnes.

 

One of the main reasons world peace will never be achieved is because of the people who are unwilling to make sacrifices to allow it to occur rather than effortlessly sitting back and saying saying "it will never happen" What is the point of preaching peace and love when you don't actually believe in it? Even if world peace never does occur in this world, wouldn't it be nice to say you were one of the few who tried to make it happen? That is just a thought to throw out there.

 

Well, that's true, but I already don't understand what's not to like about things that don't seem realistic at this point, but that you wish that were real (and theoretically aren't even impossible).