Would YOU vote for RON PAUL

So you think the government cares about the environment? What has the government done to protect the environment?

They just pass more laws and regulations so companies leave the US and go over to China where there are no environmental laws.

 

Oh, I think you're making a big mistake. Libertarians and Republicans want to remove environmental protections in order to increase corporate profits. There is no need to do this. But if it is done, it will be difficult to put them back in place. The damage will be done.

In fact, more jobs will be created if we strengthen environmental protections.

 

You are completely wrong. It is only the government that stands between corporations and environmental destruction. You seem ignorant of the all the good that has come from regulations.

 

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Who are ‘they’?

 

I would fall into the "Democratic Socialist" label in most things, and honestly, considering the current state of the USA, I WOULD vote for Ron Paul for president unless Obama grows a back-bone and actually works to fix the decaying government that could certainly fun more efficiently.

I like the following aspects of Ron Paul (out of your choices):

-Decriminalize all drugs, seriously consider legalization for some.
-Ending the wars ASAP.
-Ending the federal reserve system, because it makes the rich richer and everyone else poorer.
-Switching the US dollar to a Gold / Silver standard, stabilizing it's value and ending the "hidden tax of inflation"
-He is pro gay rights.
-Shrink federal entitlement programs, he believes this is a right of the states.
-Solve Immigration by denying illegals ALL benefits (ie. medicare, in-state tuition)
-End military($$$) aid to Israel (and other countries). We give more money to Israels enemies than we do to Israel anyways.
-End embargo on Cuba.
-Reduced federal airport security, not needed because he will allow pilots to be armed (try hijacking that with a boxcutter/ knife!). Mostly wants to get rid of these high-def body scans.

And if he means "improve government EFFICIENCY" by "shrink entitlements" I agree. And if he TRULY means to give the states power to regulate entitlements that is fine. HOWEVER, I believe that the USA should actually provide MORE comprehensive entitlement programs than they are right now, but they should be more efficient at it, they should do it on a local (county by county) basis, they should actually 'get to know' the welfare recipients, and should not just throw money at a broken system. We are currently using entitlement policies set up in the 1960s. No wonder they are broken. Make those social workers in the SSA offices actually DO something to improve efficiency other than just blindly shuffling applicants around with standards set up in Lyndon B. Johnson's era!

 

WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!!!

That is so incredibly wrong it's not even funny. The government is owned by the corporations and does what the corporations want. The politicians work for the banks and corporations -- not the people or the environment. The sooner you learn this the better off you'll be.

Some of what I read in here never ceases to amaze me, and not in a good way.

 

Ron won another straw poll this weekend. Love him or hate him he is hanging in there. A lot of people seem to be getting behind him.

I can't wait to see what happens. It is very exciting times we are living in.

 

you realize that the government.. whom you believe is what "stands between corporations and environmental destruction"... gives companies like Exxon.. Mobile.. BP... etc etc.. unlimited amounts of tax cuts and subsidies... you know why they do this? Well folks aren't gonna pay $20 for a gallon of gas.. So without these subsides and tax breaks.. do you think these companies will fare as well? are you gonna go out and fill your 10-20gal tank with $20/gal gas? $200-$400 at the pump? Lets not forget to mention all the money the fed invests in renewable energy... oh wait.. they don't.. if the fed invested the amount of money they do into keeping gas cheap into solar and wind.. we'd actually be somewhere by now... most solar/wind power is funded by state programs and/or local power companies

 

Of course I understand all that. And, you guys are still wrong about environmental regulations. Many of them were instituted before the government sold out. And there are still many in Congress, a large minority, that want to significantly strengthen the regulations.

 

yes.. the government has sold out... and a large minority in congress doesn't mean anything when there's a larger majority... It's best to move such things to a local level where the PEOPLE can vote on these laws... not crooked politicians with oil companies and etc in their pockets...

 

Besides, the environmental regulations that are passed aren't designed to help the environment. They're designed to cripple the economy and send jobs overseas to places like China, where they STILL pollute but get away with it. Everything the system does that is evil is dressed up in something that's good, either for the people or the environment. The environmental movement was hijacked by the corporations long ago and is being used as a tool by the people in control. There is so much proof to support this, but feel free to call me a conspiracy theorist.

 

You're a conspiracy theorist.

 

You're a conspiracy theorist.

 

Even though elite groups like the Club of Rome said in their own documents going back to the 60s that they would use the threat of environmental crisis to deindustrialize the country and send jobs overseas where there are no environmental laws and labor is cheap. That is exactly what has happened.

 

See, people who subscribe to leftist politics, who cannot grasp the simple fact that the corporations own the politicians, don't understand that the regulations put forward are never to do what they say. For instance, many of the left think regulations will reign in big business, but that never happens when these multi-billion dollar corporations give the politicians kickbacks, while the smaller businesses which don't have as much money suffer, which in turn affects everyone else, and then nobody is left except the parasitic multinationals. This is what has happened thanks to Democrats and Republicans who are two sides to the same coin. People on the far left champion most of the same policies, but in an even bigger way. They call for MORE corporate government to rule their lives.

 

OK, we all already know that rich people can be scoundrels and manipulate things to their advantage, but this leaves me with two questions.

1.) What then does this prove that we don't already know?

2.) What is your source?

 

To answer your second question first:

The Club of Rome talks about it in their own published reports, like the 'First Global Revolution'.

Instead of me providing links, why not just search for some of these terms:

Club of Rome, Environmental Movement, Post-Industrial Age, Post-Industrial Society.

Also, you asked what does it prove that we don't already know? It proves that the global elite are often behind causes that seem noble at face value, but are far different than what they seem below the surface. Many liberals, socialists and other champions of big government are duped by populist rhetoric into getting behind things that seem wholesome and for the good on the surface, but really play into what the rich and powerful want.

 

My point is that just because rich people use different politics and social movements to meet their own agenda does not mean that those things themselves are inherently flawed, which seems to be the non sequitur argument you are making. Or is your point, rather, that we mustn't do anything, because nothing will work?
Or are you saying it is better to continue to destroy the planet and not have any regulations in order to give a sort of 'fuck you' to the elite? That it is impossible to work toward international treaties to prevent exactly the type of cause and effect you state?

 

I never said they are inherently flawed, did I? Obviously the environment is not in good shape and things cannot go on as they are. That doesn't mean I champion the government to do something about it, because they will just exploit it for their own agenda, as they have done and are doing. Besides, it's these people who have done most of the harm on the world. The elite which controls the environmental movement have done more to harm the planet than anyone else.

In order for things to work for the people and the environment, people need to understand how the system works.

 

OK, so all politicians are in cahoots with the shadowy elite and therefore are incapable of effecting change to our benefit (Nope, no conspiracy theorists here. And that document from the Club of Rome proves nothing except that a think tank full of scientists and other important people think things should be done a certain way. Booga booga!) And when the sheeple wake up and realize this, what then, is the next step?