Would you cure Conservative Christianity if it becomes available?

Funny that all the supposed "open-minded thinking" by christians hereabouts sounds closed, indoctrinated, and self-righteous. One size fits all ~ small.

 

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Lying in a field, I want to thank you for this thread, I dropped out of posting at the Gay forum because of the lax attitude toward Eras's "Would you Cure" poll. It was slimly veiled bigotry, classic propaganda. (Ask a loaded "hypothetical" question.) Thank you for validating my repugnance.

Eras is trying to turn this thread into the same one he has at the Gay Forums. Don't let him double post.

I have suggest that that thread be moved from the Gay forums to here because it is religious. The whole premise and purpose for posting that thread was to agitate and shame, and maybe convert with confusion if that were possible. Reject his paraphrase of that thread and stay on target with the premise of this one. He is a one man army of ass holes and his post of that poll in the Gay forum was hateful trolling.

Erasmas is trying to assert that he is open minded or moderate. He is neither, he is a Third Postionist.

Please allow me to share parts of two recent posts to that thread:

I want to add to the last quote. The recent state constitutional amendments ban any thing that mimics marriage, so this would call into question power of attorney, and hospital visitation rights, something the fundies like to deny. Not just for gay people, but anyone else pretending to be married.

A while back, I posted a similar post to this one in this forum, in reference to the "Would you cure", I asked "Would Christ approve of Christian hate?", trying to show the dubious nature of some of these polls, and the need for a "none of the above option." Anyway, I like the humor in the first post here better.

Thanks
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Gosh, you're so modest.

 

And thank you for your contribution to this thread. I chose not to post in Erasmus' thread in the Gay forum for the exact reason that it is religious in nature. So I moved the argument exactly where it belonged. In the realm of his own religion.


And Erasmus can keep rolling with the punches...but in typical religious fanatic style he finally blurts out the magic words....

So he's right simply because most of us are dumb. Some nice work, when you back them against a wall the inner monster always comes out, the self appointed genius.

 

Eraz...peace, no attack or sarcasm here...just a suggestion. Why don't you fill out your profile so others here can have an idea of what your life experience is?

I sometimes think that advancing middle age has brought me nothing but gray hair, fat,and wrinkles, but then, there's a lot to be recounted about what happened on the way.

 

I cannot actually believe the guy is middle aged. Is that what you're implying?

He has on several occasions called me a retard. How mature.

 

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In keeping with the transportation (thanks Lying_in_a_field) of the thread from the Gay Forum to this one . . .

This quote was taken from post #345 of the thread in question.

We have considered what was being said, ad nauseam. It is you who won't entertain another argument. You can hardly say that debate is being cut off before it starts after the 345th posting.

That's hilarious.

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But yet you continue to compare homosexuals to smokers

And if most of us are so dumb here... You're probably trying to enlighten us, I guess? Foolish me, I thought christians were supposed to be humble...

 

Again, your 'turnabout' does not work.
Please try again.

 

The thread isn't necessarily a serious turnabout on your argument but rather a complete joke. Its making a fucking fool out of you. By taking it seriously you are making it worse. You have already painted yourself as a self-righteous, self ordained genius, now you show a lack of understainding of humour. Further removing evidence from your claims that you are a 'free thinker'.

That was established earlier however. I think this 'turnabout' has served its purpose very well. You might not see it, but your're ideas are looking stupider with every one of your posts.

 

Oh no! *Gulp*.. For reasons I cant possibly understand I have been made fun of and somehow no matter what I say Im looking *gulp* more foolish by even replying with anything.
(thinks: oh no.. he said if I reply then im dumb.. but if I dont then Im gonna look dumb.. what to do.. what to do?)

Seriously.
Dude, just admit you blew it ok.
You got upset that a hypothetical question was asked and in some misguided 'knee jerk' attempt to show me up, you did (what in your mind) was a 'turbabout is fair play' counter attack.

Then you realised that this did not work and if anything would be aligning homosexuality as a choice not a genetic imperitive.

Realising you screwed it up you are now pretending it was meant as some cunning humour.
No.

But good effort!

 

Well, kudos, you really know how to worm yourself out of any awkward situation, or at least make yourself think that you did...
But then again, you never acknowledge that you make mistakes in your own reasoning, you just ignore that.
I'd preserve you in alcohol if I could, such a fine specimen...


Even in your last post you show your ignorance... As if homosexuality is EITHER a choice, EITHER genetic, as if there are no other options... But then again, if you had read all replies to your "cure homosexuality" thread and actually opened your mind to what they were saying, you would know that by now...

 

You fucking moron.

Who in their right mind could take communists with guns seriously?

I am truly speechless.

 

Thats a repost for the benefit of truth and common sense.

hmmm...why is it that everyone else can see the sarcasm and not you?

 

So what are you trumping me with?
You want to insist that Christianity is arrived at like Homosexuality is arrived at?
Some combination of genetics and upbringing?

Oh I see.. you will just 'assert' that the answer lies in some other posts somewhere and I should know this.

Lame.

 

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Eraz has a very plodding and reactionary rhetorical style. When he isn't paraphrasing some hate tract, he seems to be reacting to some comment in a post in another forum, or thread that happened days ago, but without directly referencing it.

For instance, a while back he accused someone of trying to fox him into a losing debate with a yes / no question. He accused the person of having a retort prepared to spring on him. Ironically just two days before that, Eraz was trying to defend one of his own squirrely posts by asserting that his questions were bogus and he only posted them so he could entrap me in a similar ruse.

Either way, this seems to point toward an intense paranoia. Which might explain his plodding nature, for fear of making a rhetorical mistake, and then having to admit he made a mistake. In that much he is as unchristian as the prez.

I have often wondered about the strange tangental ramblings. And yet other times he seems to actually form a logical progression of ideas. I have yet to make a concerted study of his literate stye, but only to note certain anomalies that might suggest that his are the posts of more than one person. That doesn't refute my idea that he is paraphrasing left wing media and tracts, which could be the second voice that seems to turn on and off. Shifts in medications could have a similar effect in perceptions and influence. That would explain his radical shifts from vicious senseless attacks to vapid flattery and stiff sarcasm. But I think his flattery is intended to shield his more angry nature.

It could simply be that he is highly imitative and easily influenced (reactionary) and therefore everything he does is highly impacted by his immediate stimuli. Therefore his literate style will alter noticeably due to what ever influences are at work. Much like a teenager who writes his name in a note book in a thousand different ways, trying to find his own essence. It isn't the only thing that has made me doubt his maturity.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not faulting his rhetorical style, he seems to be doing the best that he can. But these are the things I have observed. In many ways his are the tactics of the right wing media style, something Eraz is obviously very familiar with if not entirely cognizant of the techniques they employ.

Never admit a mistake.

Change the subject when you have lost on a point of logic.

Ignore arguments and questions that might lead to a fault in your thinking. To this goal, refuse all attempts to pinpoint your opinion, points of reference or basis of fact. This is also the rhetorical style of a Third Positionist who doesn't want to be found out as being a "Right Wing Nut."

Add to this the classic propaganda techniques of skewed polls and loaded hypothetical questions and I surmise that he either has a coach or he's taking inspiration from those radio shows that I can't stand to listen to for more than five minutes.

This dogged rhetorical style would explain why he is unable to find humor or irony and is so easily lead into a delusion that these jibs are an attempt to debate with him.


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Lietchi never said anything of the sort.

You have to get this strange, if not fabricated idea out of your mind. Nobody here, including myself, and i invite you to quote me, implied that christianity is in any way resulting from a genetic trait.

I certainly implied it was a disease, but of what nature i didn't say

The point of the satire is that my ideas in that first post were as ludicrously, insane and ignorant as yours.

Now again, i implore you to answer my question. Did you or did you not imply that homosexuality is a disease? Or are you just going to keep diverting attention off of the main subject. If I was you i'd either stop posting in this thread now, or take some responsibility for what you said.

Have a nice day.

Like I said in the 'Gay' forum...I'll stop being so relentless now. I think I've served my purpose.

 

Thanks, at least you understand what I'm saying, or better yet, what I'm NOT saying.

My post had nothing to do with christianity, and everything to do with how Erasmus evades all sensible debate, and lacks understanding of what others are saying, or simply refuses to understand. His last reply was a fine example of that too...

Well, I think I'll leave you people with this argument. I can only say that I am happy to live in a country where homosexuality is not only tolerated, but accepted by the vast majority (gay marriage is a fact here), and where the christians don't in the slightest resemble Erasmus, not even the right-wing ones.
(you can try guessing which country, maybe a nice diversion )

 

YAY...a game!!!

Is it Belgium?

 

Wow, you're good

What gave it away? Gay marriage was a good clue probably