Would Christ approve of Christian hate?

Could you please name the other Books that have predicted the future accurately. And could you tell us what those preditions were. Because the only Book I know of that goes into the vast details about the future, and has done so accurately, is the Bible. The Bible has stated that a true prophecy from God must be 100%. Any prophecy that falls short of that, is a prophecy that did not come from God.

 

the majority of religions state the same kind of thing for the end times, the same return of whoever they see as God. Islam has prophesies which they also claim are coming to true. in the koran it talks about pollution, establishment of israel, women rights, all people connected.

if the Bible is prefect then there shouldn't be prophecy that didn't come to pass in the book. yet i believe there was prophecy that did not happen. but since, people have tried to twist the words to justofy what was said, even though if perfect we shouldn't have to twist words, and change meanings. it is clear that not every prophecy in the Bible happened as with all religions.
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I might point out, that the prophecies in the Bible that speak about the return of the Jews were well established long before the Koran came along. Does the Koran speak about the approaching astroid that will smash into the earth and destroy a third of the ships in the sea? And I might add, that , prophecy, was written over a thousand years before the people of earth even knew astroids existed. Does the Koran talk about the future world leader the will arise out of Europe? Does it talk about how he will make everyone worship him, and as a requirement of worship, all people of earth will be ordered to receive his mark on their right hand or forhead? Does the Koran tell us that those who refuse his mark will not be allowed to buy or sell? Does the Koran tell us that in the end all who refuse his mark will be put to death? Does the Koran talk about Russia, allied with the Islamic nations in the time of the end? Does the Koran speak about the future of America, and what is going to happen here in the States? Does the Koran talk about the leaders of the East raising up an army of 200 million men to invade the Middle East? Does the Koran describe nuclear war? Does the Koran talk about what is going to happen to the Islamic nations when they invade Israel? Does the Koran talk about the global earthquake that is coming that is going to sink the islands of the sea?

So outside of womans rights, and pollution, does the Koran or any other faith have anything to to compare to the prophecies found in the Bible? Because I got to tell you, it's going to take a lot more than a prophecy about pollution and womans rights to impress me.

 

I don't know, I'm not the one to determine if God loves "gays" or whatever, however, I do know that there is only one type of sexual orientation, and that is straight.

No one is born a fag or bi or any other bullshit.

Everybody is born straight.

Acting gay is a perversion of the flesh. Simply a perversion.

 

i have never said that the propheses were as detailed or as accurate or anything. the Bible is an amazing book. but because the propheses are mostly accurate (not 100%) does not mean the book is perfect, we are elevating the book to God level if we believe so. the Bible prophesies do impress me very much do not get me wrong. but these things you mention have not come to pass yet, and if accurate i will be even more impressed, but i do not worry about such things, as they are not my will, and i have no power.
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What people tend to forget is that the bible isn't a book, it's a collection of books. And at some point somewhere along the line the decision of which books to include and which books to exclude was made by men.

We know, from the new testament itself, that what modern christians consider scripture and what the authors of the new testament considerred scripture isn't quite the same thing.

Consider the Epistle of Jude. In Jude 14 and 15 the author quotes a passage from the Book of Enoch, a book that no modern christian considers scripture but that the author of Jude obviously did.

Or Jude 9, where the author recounts an incident where the archangel Micheal is in a dispute with the devil over the body of Moses, an incident that shows up nowhere in the modern Old Testament. Where did this story come from?

In another epistle (one of Peter's I think, I'll try to find it later) the author talks about "the war between the hosts of heaven against the fallen angels". This war is mentioned nowhere in any of books of the Old Testament but it is mentioned in at least one of the books found among the Dead Sea Scrolls, an Essene manuscript.

What many people don't realise is that the Judeaism of the first century was comprised of several different sects arranged in caste system. what was considerred scripture varied from sect to sect;

The Sadducees were the literalists of their day. Their Old Testament was most likely the same version we have today.

The Pharisees followed the same OT as the Sadduces but they interpreted it differently, plus they gave as much (or more) credance to the oral traditions, hence the admonition by Jesus "You have abandoned the Law of God for the traditions of men.

The Essenes followed the same OT minus (by the evidence) the book of Esther but they also apparently considerred all the apocalytical books and several other books (Enoch for one) sacred.

Besides these there were several sub-sects--Zealots and Gallileans were sub-sects of the Essenes--and a whole other sect comprised of the mostly illiterate common people.

The reason this is signifagant is because we know that the followers of Jesus represented the different sects.

The reason the Old Tesament we have today came to us in it's present form is because after the fall of Jerusalem the Pharisitical faction of the Jews (the non-monolithic faction) dominated Judeaism and thus we have their version of the Old Testament.

In a nutshell, whether or not you believe the individual books to have been inspired by God there's no contesting that their arrangment and inclusion were decided by men.

 

Men whose decisions were guided by God.

 

A God with an incredible sense of humor.

 

Durka Durka.

 

Up to this date the Bible has never been wrong. God's words never fail and His future words will not either. The Bible is a timeline it speaks of things of the past, present (time it was written at) and future. And the thing is we are almost to the end, but most of the world will make the same mistake that the people did in Noah's day--ignore the warning.

 

JDFU, read Gen. 7 again. There was no warning.

This may seem like a trivial detail but it serves to illustrate a point;

According to the story of Noah, God specifically chose Noah and his family and made it clear that he intended to wipe out everybody else, period.

Gen. 7 says absolutely nothing about anyone else on earth haveing any clue that something was about to happen.

Any image (that many christians seem to have) of Noah being laughed at by his nieghbors or of him trying to warn them is strictly fiction, part of pop-christian tradition, added for effect.

The point I'm trying to make is that I'm begining to notice that alot of what contemporary christians seem to consider "scripture" isn't even in the bible, and never was.
At best it's the result of something their parents or preacher told them or something they saw in a christian cartoon as a kid.

Alot of supposed christians take some vague recollection of something they remember from the bible and then add whatever's convienant in order to make it say what they wish it said or mean what they think it should mean, sometimes just to win an argument.

If we can't trust you to tell us what the bible says about the past how can you expect us to trust you when you tell us what it's supposed to be saying about the future?

The bible itself may or may not be a fiarytale but this mainstream, tradition-based, pop-christian version of it definetly is.

I obviously don't believe the bible is the inerrant word of god but if I did, considerring the very last verse in it, I would be extremely careful about adlibbing.

 

never has been wrong on prophesy huh, i have a read a few things that wouldn't agree with that statement, but the problem is that people try and twist 'Gods' words so try to make the Bible perfect, so they can justify certain things, try just trusting God and not a book.
examples- some of these may have explanations because of the websites obvious bias, however i have checked some of them out in the Bible, and they are correct, and unless all were incorrect how can the Bible be perfect
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/long.html

peacex

 

Matt 24:34
Verily I say unto you this generation shall not pass, till these things be fulfilled....
100 generations passed and counting

 

When Noah spent 120 years built a HUGE wooden ship, that was God's warning to the people. Yes it is assumed that the people mocked him. But it is FACT that the people rejected what Noah preached all his life because Noah and his family were the only ones that were on the Ark. It is human nature to mock the "abnormal." Imagine if I were to built an enormous boat until I was 80. And I would tell everyone, "Hey, God is going to send a huge judgement of a flood to this earth and this ark is the only hope." People would mock me everyday and pass me off as a "nut."

 

Those supposed contradictions are just lack of knowledge. But people will go to great heights just to prove the Bible wrong just so they do not have to be under the authority of the Bible. If they only knew that life is test with two grades: HEAVEN or HELL, people would soon and follow the Jesus. Follow the Lord for life is a mist and eternity and forever...

 

Tell me this:

What generation is Jesus refering too?

 

JDFU...you seem like a nice guy, but I have to agree with you, folks would think you were totally insane, and someone would probably manage to have you committed.

 

no they are mistakes, read over a few of them, a few i can explain, but there are some that seem not possible, once you can answer all of them the Bible may be without error, but as this is not possible then i will never make such a claim.
peacex

 

Well hear we go again. When you take a verse out of context, and then leave out Matt 24:32, then we miss what was stated. Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: The fig tree has always been the historic symbol for Israel. Unless you really were looking, this verse could easily be passed over. The generation Christ was speaking of began in the year 1948 when Israel declared herself a nation. To go along with this time frame, Christians are also looking at Hosea 6:2 which is found in the Old Testament. Which states that God will be returning to our world on the third day. God's days are 1,000 years. Christ died in the year 33 A.D. the end of the two days in God's time would be the year 2033. The third day of God would begin in the year 2034. The generation from the time reference found in the New testament in the year 2034 would be 86 years old. And it was Jesus who said this generation would not pass away until all end prophecies would be fulfilled. These two time references do not come together becase of chance, but because of Devine appointment. The Jews are not back in Israel by accident, and Islamic nations are not seeking nukes to supply their eletrical needs. The Old Testament tells you, that when the Jews return to Israel, that this event will be in the time the Bible describes as the Latter days.

 

I disagree. The big phrase in question is "this generation." Not once in every instance that phrase is used in the Bible (a total of 17 times) does it refer to a future generation. Further, the context in which Jesus is speaking (answering His disciple's question) implies that it would occur within the generation of the people he's talking to, ie: their generation. That is the most literal telling of the prophecy, which arguably still prooves true with the destruction of the temple in 70AD (a much more interesting argument, imo, too).
God's days are not a thousand years. Jesus was not buried and risen from the grave 3000 years later. It can't be both ways, to be used whenever necessary.

Also, I've never once gotten a response to the failure of the Ezekiel 26:1-14 prophecy, and don't expect one because there's no rebuttal that doesn't sound absolutely ridiculous:

For thus says the Lord GOD: I will bring against Tyre from the north King Nebuchadrezzar of Babylon, king of kings, together with horses, chariots, cavalry, and a great and powerful army. Your daughter-towns in the country he shall put to the sword. He shall set up a siege wall against you, cast up a ramp against you, and raise a roof of shields against you. He shall direct the shock of his battering rams against your walls and break down your towers with his axes. His horses shall be so many that their dust shall cover you. At the noise of cavalry, wheels, and chariots your very walls shall shake, when he enters your gates like those entering a breached city. With the hoofs of his horses he shall trample all your streets. He shall put your people to the sword, and your strong pillars shall fall to the ground. They will plunder your riches and loot your merchandise; they shall break down your walls and destroy your fine houses. Your stones and timber and soil they shall cast into the water. I will silence the music of your songs; the sound of your lyres shall be heard no more. I will make you a bare rock; you shall be a place for spreading nets. You shall never again be rebuilt, for I Yahweh have spoken, says the Lord GOD (Ezek. 26:1-14, NRSV with Yahweh substituted for the LORD).

Any history book will tell you that this did not happen. Nebuchadnezzar spent 13 years trying to get past the walls and failed. Tyre wasn't destroyed until Muslims left it in ruins in 1291. So Ezekiel's a false prophet, right??