Would Christ approve of Christian hate?

Could you please run this last one past me one more time. Fundamentalist are Pharisees because they forbid using The Lords name in vain? Scripture is the Book that commands us not to use His name in vain. The fundamentalists point this out, but that commandment came long before the fundamentalists.

Paul was a zealot, because before he became a Christian, he murdered a number of Christians himself, all the while thinking he was doing Gods will. He did a 360 when God blinded him, and knocked him off a horse. As a christian, he pretty much led the charge afterwords.

Jesus did condem the Pharisees, yet when a woman was caught in Adultery, Jesus actions saved her, but He did not give her a free pass. Jesus commanded her to go and SIN NO MORE. The idea that Jesus was everyones buddy, and he only came down on the Pharisees, is not accurate.

 

What I was trying to say is that the fundamentalists of today act similarly to the way that the Pharisees did during the times of Jesus. You seemed to take my statements about using the Lord's name in vain totally out of context. When scripture was written, you must understand the meaning of what was being communicated at the time and that words do change meaning. With all this said, I think that it's important to explain what it means to use the Lord's name in vain and what it does NOT mean!

Today,[using the Lord's name in vain] is often mistakenly interpreted as prohibiting swearing. This has nothing to do with its original meaning! To use the Lord's name in vain is to engage in one of the following acts: Using His name for "any frivolous or malicious purpose or in magic"; believing in false doctrines or opposing God's truth;Until recently, the phrase "taking God's name in vain" related to contracts. They were sworn "in the name of the Lord". If the terms of a contract were broken, the offending party was said to have taken "the Lord's name in vain." By taking scripture out of context and not understanding the culture, message and social order that prevailed at that time and justifying these statements is such an example of breaking this commandment.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_10c7.htm

OK, I'll concede! This was an oversight! But after his conversion, I have to question all of what he was preaching against. e.g.:
"Fornication" Mistranslation[size=-1]
[/size][size=-1]Traditional Church teaching falsely misuses the Bible to judge loving, responsible singles' sexuality. True Biblical theology begins not with Church tradition and dogma but with the biblical texts themselves. Biblical theology seeks to understand how the biblical authors expressed themselves in the Greek language of New Testament times (not expanded by later Greek meanings), in terms of their culture. Only with this understanding is it legitimate to define biblical sexual ethics of the NT and find implications for today.

If you are happier in your beliefs that sex is wrong outside of marriage that may be what is best for you. But it is not from scripture as you have been taught by the Church. If you understand Church history and its biased translations you soon realize the lies and deceptions the Church is teaching regarding many sexual issues.

I Cor 6:9 badly mistranslate "porneia" as fornication. Corinth was a wide-open port city. People there could get sex any way they wanted it. Where our English translations read 'fornication', Paul's original Greek word was 'porneia' which means to sell and refers to slaves bought and sold for cultic prostitution. What was happening in the Temples of Corinth was farmers were visiting the temple preistesses who represented the furtility Gods. By having sex with these prostitutes they believed their fields would be more furtile.

In Rome, the Latin prostitutes would hang out in small alley's and behind small L shaped walls. In Latin the shape is called FORNIX, hence the place association with acts of prostitution gave "fornicatio" Where Paul was condemning sex goddess, cultic, prostitution or trafficking in slaves for that purpose, the Latin fathers substituted 'fornicatio', which led readers to believe that Paul was condemning all forms of premarital sexual intercourse."

Some modern English Bible versions translate "porneia" as "sexual immorality", a term which is supposed to clarify the somewhat obscure and dated "fornication", but is really a catch-all term that allows interpreters, both professional and lay, to apply this passage to any sexual behavior at all, far beyond the specific practices to which Paul refers.

From "Halley's Bible Handbook" 1 Cor. 6: 9-20; "Venus was the principal Deity of Corinth. Her temple was one of the most magnificent buildings in the city. In it a thousand Priestesses, Public Prostitutes, were kept, at public expense, there always ready for Immoral Indulgence, as worship to their Goddess." The Christians continued to go to the temple for sexual indulgences with the priestesses of Venus. This was all Paul was talking about and he says nothing about loving sexual pleasure-sharing with non-goddesses'!

It does violation to the Biblical text to assume I Cor.6:9 includes pre-marital sex, especially since that is not the context of the discussion, either of that chapter or of the surrounding chapters. The context of I Cor.6 is the problems with the Temple of Aphrodite. Sex with those prostitutes was idolatrous. The argument that Paul condemns singles' sex here or anywhere else in scripture is faulty interpretation. Such a position is illogical because your assumptions are based on emotional constructs rather than on history and on hard evidence.

Nothing in the NT indicates any prohibition of singles' sexuality. It seems that if we apply Jesus' teaching of love over legalism, responsible Christian sexuality is much more an example of Christ's loving desire for us than the traditional biblical values of many wives, concubines as breeders, and capturing women in battle for soldiers' sexual pleasure!

A Prodigy poster said: "..I think that David H's post cannot be so easily dismissed. I am not a theologian-although I did attend a seminary...and I have studied a fair amount of Greek.....While at the seminary, I wrote a paper on the translation of "porneia". As you must know if you have studied the question, "fornication" is a bald mistranslation of "porneia" (even my very conservative Greek professor conceded this point). If one discounts the N.T. passages containing this mistranslation--including the selection from Thessalonians...there is little remaining support for the position that the Bible condemns premarital sexuality....if one takes an objective view of what the Bible has to say on the subject, sexuality outside of marriage seems to be accepted....I would also acknowledge that most people would be happier...if they would simply accept the church's traditional position...But to condemn all sexuality outside of marriage as sin seems to go well beyond what the Bible teaches--and Paul has a good deal to say about that in Galatians."

All of us should search our own spirits. God can lead people differently, resulting in reaching different people in sharing Christ's love. We also must respect others' beliefs but try not to cause another to stumble, since some cannot handle emotionally anything other than the traditional Church[/size]

There is some question to the authenticity of that passage!

Sure! We see what he did to the "moneychangers" (probably a euphemism for thieves) in the temple.

 

campbell34, you say that you and your God are loving, yet you seem to suggest that AIDS is gods punishment for being gay. God does not punish, he gives us messages. We decide wether we want those messages to be hope and understanding or something else. If anything, AIDS was Gods way of telling bigots that they have been reading the bible all wrong. God was hoping that the reaction to AIDS would be empathy not wrath.

As someone recently wrote on these forums, the opposite of Love is not Hate, the opposite of Love is Fear. I agree, and I would like to add the opposite of Hate is Lust, in many ways they are the same coin.

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At no time did I even suggest that Aids was a punishment from God, that was you putting words in my mouth. Then you said God does not punish. Well the Bible gives many examples of God punishing, from Sodom & Gamora, to Noahs flood, to Pharoahs army being destroyed at the Red Sea Crossing ect. And then you say that Aids is Gods way of telling Bigots that they have been reading the Bible all wrong. It appears you are the one who believes God created Aids. I believe God in the Bible gave us warnings about a lifestyle that would result in Aids, but the end result, was not authored by God. He gave us His message of warning. The world ignored that message, and now millions must die. And believe me, millions of people are not dieing so God could show bigots that they are reading the Bible incorrectly. God did not spread this virus, people did.

 

i am not sure i want to spend eternity with your God anymore
peacex

 

Brothwood.
Why dont you just do what it is you want to do in the first place and stop this passive-aggresive (and downright vindictive) way of seeking out others to 'use' for your excuse.

Sorry bro but I know exactly what your trying to do and I need to call you on it.
If your going to bail then be a man and jump and stop looking for others to help you (whether they like it or not).

Dig?

 

excuse me?? please don't pretend you know the first thing about me, i see the games you play on these forums, and one of them is calling others for playing games even though it is SO clear that you also do the same things

 

Oh no you dont.

Dont try and use me as your excuse and you know FULL WELL that what I do (or not) doesnt have fuck all to do with YOUR ACTIONS, CHOICES and what you very well intend to be doing with yourself.

Seriously, stop being a pussy and using others to justify what you already intend to be doing and where you are going.

 

did i ever say the reason i am no longer connected to christianity has anything toi do with you, don't be so egotytical, somebody on a website will never have an impact on my beliefs. its a personal things. it was MY choice!

but as a certain standpoint, read your post, and ask do you really have the love of God inside you, because you show a lot of anger. God gives you inner peace, maybe it is you who needs to do the searching
peacex

 

Just a quick note on your adversary ~ look up psychological subtype "manipulator"

 

uh-huh, as i have said on another post, i do believe Erasmus may not actually be christian, and just here to make them look bad.

that would put my mind at rest, because i actually think at present that he truely believes what he writes and the way he comes across. which really does scare me
peacex

 

Be afraid. be very afraid.

 

So God has warned us that this lifestyle will have a negative effect, and then men ignore Gods warning, and this brings about the deaths of millions. You now do not want to spend eternity with this God, because He told you the truth? Then perhaps, you will seek out another false God, that will lie to you. The Bible does say, that many would rather believe a lie, than the truth.

 

how do you know, your God is not a false God. what if you actually worship the evil of the world. you can see why people would believe this, as God did a lot of punishment in the past which seems a bit excfessive in my eyes. you may show some reasons why your religion is true, but the same is true for all others religions, thet all have so called truth, but all of them, including christianity have things that i would consider untrue, for example in christianity i do not see the Bible as been the word of God, because only God is perfect, not a book written by men, no matter if it was inspired, it will never be perfect.
peacex

 

The reason so many children are murdered each year by abortion is because sex has been misused. God has a place for sex, and the world only looks on it as fun thing to do. And of coarse, anytime Scripture does not agree with your lifestyle, then naturally it's the churches fault, or the Bible must be wrong, or theres a question of that verses authenticity. I have heard all this before. The Bible is clear on sex outside of marriage. If people lived, as the Bible has taught us, there would be no Aids epidemic, there would be no sexually transmitted diseases, America would not have to consider the fifty million children this generation killed off by abortion. These are the results of ignoring clear Scriptual warnings. The Bible is either a Book of lies, or it's speaking the absolute truth, and if that is the case which I believe it is, then it is your belief that's out of line. And it is this belief, that has excelerated the deaths of millions from diseases, to outright murder by abortion. Christ's message, has nothing to do with a lifestyle that fosters disease, and murder.

 

For once, I somewhat/halfway agree with you. Scripture has a good law and if people followed it you're right, there probably would be a hell of alot less troubles. However, I don't think the Bible is either a lie or the absolute truth. Such extremes are unnecessary. There's more than one right way to live, and the Bible is one of those many 'right ways'. I'm not saying that our culture is living a right way . . . it is obviously not. But, there you go. I agree for once.

 

There are many faiths that claim the truth, yet only in the Bible do we see the fulfilled prophecies. Christians do not worship the Bible, but Christ. The fact is, the Bible speaks of the future in detail, where ALL other faiths do not. This should be a sign to all, that the Bible is a very special Book. God did punish many in the past, and when I see the way the world is going, I understand why He did. When given a clear choice to do good, man appears to do just the oppsite. Christ has stated, that if it were not for His return, man would destroy Himself. As I see nation after nation developing nuclear weapons, I now see what Jesus was talking about. The Bible tells us that in the last days perlious times will come, and whole nations will be destroyed by other nations, and they will destroy them in one hours time. Only in our generation has such destruction become possible. The Bible also tells us that the last battle on earth will be fought over the control of Jerusalem. Do you really think the Jews are back in Israel by accident?
The only way one can not believe the Bible, is if one choose to ignore it's prophecies, and pretend they donot exist.

 

Campbell...question here:

Will all the events in these last days take place exactly as described in Revelation?

Thanks.

 

i actually do not doubt the prophesies, as i do not doubt the holy spirit influence. i do doubt however that the Bible is perfect, i believe it is a mix of the holy spirit, human ego and free will. but others books make predictions also, many truths have came to happend from other beliefs. many have predicted the future accurately, doesn't meant the predictor is completely correct on everything else as well
peace

 

Most of the prophecies I have mentioned are spoken of in detail outside of the Book of Revelation. The Book of Revelation fills in many of the details, but the Old Testaments gives more of the story line.