Would a ban on all public religious representations and displays ease religious hatreds and violence

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by GreatestIam, May 2, 2019.

  1. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake resigned HipForums Supporter

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    The OP didn't make that fully clear. If indeed he meant to limit it to that.

    The US constitution separtes clearly church and state. Here in the UK things are different - the C of E is in effect the state religion with the Queen as supreme govenor. Bishops sit in the House of Lords etc. Hard to say what exactly in this sort of context would be classified as 'governmental'. Or a 'governmental dsplay'. If just the government of the day is meant - they don't do it anyway.
     
  2. Adamskiffle

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    No, banning such things would likely lead to more extremism + it goes against my libertarian ideals to ban stuff generally.
     
  3. Okiefreak

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    I'm not sure the OP is being that restrictive. I think he may want to go after hijabs, burqas, yarmulkes, and crosses in public settings, such as streets and workplaces, which may go even beyond the French policy of Laïcité. In the United States, of course, we have the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.to protect us from the encroachments of religion onto public grounds and buildings. In practice, it is an on-going struggle to keep politicians from using every opportunity to put up some monument to religion like the Ten Commandments. Once they go on record as defenders of the faith, the politicos typically back off in the face of lawsuits. A couple of years ago their effort to erect the commandments on grounds of the State Capitol were thwarted when a Satanist group threatened to put up a monument there, as well, complete with a seat so kids could sit on Satan's lap. This tradition predates Christianity. According to Gibbon, the Roman public thought all religions were equally good, philosophers thought they were equally false, and politicians thought they were equally useful. In Oklahoma, we have several humongous metal crosses erected along interstates. I think they're unsightly and in bad taste, but in a way I like them because they're on private land and thus mark an important boundary.
     
  4. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Then it's a completely dumb idea.

    Will I be arrested for wearing a crucifix necklace or an ankh around my neck?
     
  5. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    May you be so arrested as to rise refreshed .

    The ankh looks to me like a palm sprout , the horizontal as the earth and the root is below . Perhaps I see
    funnily . I also see the Space Butterfly , center of the galaxy , singing the stars to be ... name is Kwee .
     
  6. tikoo

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    We are nations of laws so interference by the state is mandatory... Gnostic Bishop : the philosophyforum.com
     
  7. BlackBillBlake

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    I'd hope not. But the OP seems to have gone quiet, so I'm not sure how he'd view that kind of personal expression.

    He mentions wanting to ban Muslim 'headgear' so I wonder.
     
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  8. tikoo

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    We are nations of laws so interference by the state is mandatory .

    This appears to be an utterly literalist construction , and may as well have been made by aliens as
    a human implant . The previously anti-authoritarian abductee will become a stern activist logically
    commanding police-state authority . What happens when there is resistance ? The abductee is not
    responsible for any consequences .
     
  9. GreatestIam

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    Seems that we are not talking about the same person.

    Regards
    DL
     
  10. GreatestIam

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    That is what I am trying to make people realize.

    I agree that religions have little if anything to do with truths.

    Regards
    DL
     
  11. GreatestIam

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    They were built as tourist attractions instead of using the funds to look after the poor.

    That aside, I do not have any loyalty to buildings built from lies, inquisitions or jihads.

    Do you glorify and protect the buildings Hitler or Stalin erected?

    Not likely, so why protect churches that honor a genocidal son murdering god?

    Regards
    DL
     
  12. GreatestIam

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    I agree and you might note that I said nothing of making religions go away, although it would be a great idea as the less religiosity a country has, the more law abiding and peaceful it is.

    You might note that your government has set limits on the rights you think you have. They have removed the greater garbage and I think they should work on the lesser garbage of one-upmanship as well.

    Regards
    DL
     
  13. GreatestIam

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    You are not correct.

    I am talking about private displays from the religious. Everything from crosses and stars and crescents on buildings to what is worn.
    France has taken the type of law I am speaking of the furthest so far and have reaped the rewards in the sense that they now boast the only woman imam run mosque that is embracing gays and un-veiled women.

    Regards
    DL
     
  14. GreatestIam

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    Crosses would also go, as they are tied to advertisings that insults non-believers by inferring that they are condemned when they are not and going to hell.

    Public lying should be reduced to reduce tensions and violence. Especially religious liars.

    Regards
    DL
     
  15. GreatestIam

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    That is a true statement.

    You gave up any freedom you think you had when you joined a society and it's laws for the security of the person it offers.

    You can always break those laws if you like but do not expect the state to ignore you.



    Regards
    DL
     
  16. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Good luck.
    You're talking about thousands of symbols. Here's picture of just a few.
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    Then we have the problem of determining if an image is an actual symbol or just a secular image:
    Is this a cross?
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    What if Christians start wearing this?
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    Could I be arrested for having or wearing one of these?
    (It's a wrench)
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  17. GreatestIam

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  18. tikoo

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    When the disciples were thrown in jail , they teleported out of there and resumed teaching in the Temple .
    I've had experience with teleportation . I also stand before a judge , the people weep as I speak , and
    I am set free . I am free to interact with authority . This is the divine anarchy . I am at play .
     
  19. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    So I guess you'd ban my pictures I just posted.
     
  20. tikoo

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    I didn't look at those pictures .
     
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