Worst President of US

Not that it's any of your business, but I didn't even vote in 2020 because I was so displeased with their candidate.

Disliking trump doesn't automatically mean someone worships Biden. Crazy, right?

 

Worst perfume ever!

 

Can you provide some solid examples of kids being inflicted with drag queens?

 

Drag Queen Story Hour - Wikipedia
5 things to know about Drag Queen Story Time
A School Took Middle Schoolers to a Drag Show Without Telling Their Parents
Schools pulled in national spotlight with Shane Murnan, drag controversy
Elementary Kids Get ‘Special Surprise’ Drag Performance at School Talent Show – NBC New York
Over $200K being spent on drag queen shows at NYC schools

 

I was not trying to say that an open convention would have changed the election result. I was using it as an example of bad decisions made by Democrats. I am an independent voter who does not belong to any Political party. My vote was to block a corporate take over of the country. Now the evil part of our country are in charge and the middle class id doomed to poverty and or slavery.

 

I wasn't aware that any of the aforementioned figures were performing in schools in drag. I suspect they might have had roles in their stage acts in which they may have performed in drag. (Elizabeth Taylor? Cameron Diaz? Angelina Jolie? I'd always thought they were really women).
"Drag queen, a man who dresses in women’s clothes and performs before an audience".Drag queen | Art, History & Culture | Britannica
Drag Queen:A man, frequently a homosexual, who dresses, often flamboyantly, in women's clothing. Drag Queen Definition & Meaning | YourDictionary
In Post #1045 I provided links to articles that talk about programs that actually bring drag queens into the classroom or transport school children to their performances. I could have included lots of others. Are you saying it's all fake news? The Wikipedia article explains: Drag Queen Story Hour (DQSH), Drag Queen Storytime, Drag Story Time, and Drag Story Hour are children's events first started in 2015 by author and activist Michelle Tea in San Francisco with the goals of promoting reading and diversity."
Drag Queen Story Hour brings pride and glamor to libraries across U.S.
Drag Queen Story Hour offers a different kind of page-turner
Drag Race alumni speak out against Drag Story Time criticism

I think the program is real., not "bull shit", but it certainly has been taken up by right wing politicians and their minions in the media, blown out of. DeSantis made it part of his crusade against "woke". A case can be made for it to promote diversity. But it does rile and frighten traditional Americans.
'Are you a boy or a girl'? Drag Queen Story Hour riles the right, but delights kids
‘I’m just trying to make the world a little brighter’: how the culture wars hijacked Drag Queen Story Hour
We've come a long way on sexuality and gender issues in a relatively short time, but traditional attitudes are still widespread and deeply entrenched, as my Methodist church found out recently when we almost split apart over the issue. Now that most of the militant homophobes have left, we can get our minds back on inclusion and loving our neighbors. You mention "the rubes". They're the core of the Trump voting base who just elected a President to rule over us. My post that set you off was trying to figure out how that happened. Since these are my neighbors, I'm familiar with what sets them off. Folks messing with their kids' education in a seemingly "in your face" manner certainly does. Think of the mileage DeSantis and his ilk got out of Critical Race Theory (and I still don't know of a school below the college level where that was ever taught.) Also calling them "rubes'. It sounds so "coastal elitist". (ask Timsk) If we want to win another national election (if there will be any) I think it may be necessary to tone it down a bit on the less pressing cultural issues.

 

The voting public that elected trump is more or less the same one that elected Obama x2 and Biden.

EVERYONE is susceptible to lies and propaganda EVEN you sir

 

Et tu? Hopefully, some are able to spot them better than others.
How Do We Know What Is Real?
Epistemology: How do you know that you know what you know?
https://sk.sagepub.com/ency/edvol/scienceandtechnology/chpt/attentive-public
https://www.krystalkelley.com/post/defend-against-propaganda-tools-to-navigate-the-information-age
How to disrupt misinformation with the “ladder of misinference”
How to Protect Yourself From Demagogues and Disinformation

But for all I know, I could be a brain in a jar some extraterrestrial alien kid's science experiment, and the rest of you could be annoying computer simulations. I'm takin' my chances and doing the best I can muddling thru.

 

Confirmed! We Live in a Simulation | Scientific American

 

You're right. It's not my business. But it does show your character, or lack of.

 

How exactly does choosing not to vote for the "lesser of two evils" show a lack of character?

Correct me if I am wrong but you voted for Trump, yes? Why? Because you believe him to be a moral, upstanding person that cares about all US citizens? I doubt it. So what made you vote for someone like him and what does that say about your character? I am genuinely curious.

 

I personaly don't give a rats ass about men dressing as women, or vice versa. But "drag queen" was the term in question. This ordinarily goes beyond merely wearing clothing associated with the opposite gender. A "Drag queen is a person, usually male, who uses drag clothing and makeup to imitate and often exaggerate female gender signifiers and gender roles for entertainment purposes." Gender role - Wikipedia
"Drag queen, a man who dresses in women’s clothes and performs before an audience". Drag queen | Art, History & Culture | Britannica
Drag Queen: A man, frequently a homosexual, who dresses, often flamboyantly, in women's clothing. Drag Queen Definition & Meaning | YourDictionary
"Drag is not simply female impersonation, but involves drag queens exaggerating femininity and drag kings exaggerating masculinity."— Shannon Kelly Definition of DRAG QUEEN
That seems to be the way the term is commonly used. (But I told you that already in my previous post.) And as I explained, those actors and actresses on you list may have done scenes or skits in public performances, but I don't recall them going into schools to do so.What's the difference? Captive audience; impressionable kids.

I personally don't disapprove of any of it. I'm used to Rainbow Family gatherings where clothing is optional and people can dress up in loin cloths, togas, fig leaves, or anything that turns them on.

Drag queens are fine, if they're performing to an audience that likes that form of entertainment. Hell, they could have sex in public as far as I'm concerned. I personally tend to agree with H.L.A Hart (Law, Liberty and Morality) in not disapproving of any activity that doesn't do or risk harm to others. But the "consenting adults" limitation is important. And as a parent, I do have a problem with public schools deciding that practices at variance with accepted societal mores should be imposed on my kids without a clear showing of benefit. I'd have no problem with a teacher showing up in overalls or dressed like a clown, but the PTA might. I do question the wisdom of flamboyant drag queens performing in schools, or even reading to children--especially in a culture where college students are given trigger warnings about things that might offend them. What's the point? What are the educational benefits? And what are the risks? From a political standpoint, a major risk is helping someone like Trump into the Oval Office by handing him a wedge issue on a golden platter!

She was playing a pixie! I betcha if she came into the schools and did that, there would be no controversy (although it might raise a stink, since she's been dead for a few decades.) Same with Elizabeth Taylor. National Velvet is way before my time, but I've seen rerun excerpts. Seems to me she was wearing blue jeans and jockey pants and playing a Tom Boy. Women wear slacks today, so probably no controversy.

Yes, and the Thais have their kathoey, and us Native Americans had our berdache--guys who adopted women's clothes and roles in lieu of the warrior path. But that was then and there, and this is here and now, in a culture where such things are still considered deviant--at least in some parts of the country. If you can't see a distinction between play acting on stage or behaviors acceptable in other cultures and drag queens reading to kids in school, that may point to a cultural divide that goes to the heart of the issue. Without endorsing them, let me present the views of some hysterical folks who feel strongly about the issue, and you might see why the arguments you're presenting might fall flat.
https://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen3/19c/MR-Dallas-DQSH_071319/index.html
Activist Mommy Calls It 'Utter Insanity': Kids Crawl on Drag Queen at Library Story Hour
Backlash Over Drag Queen Story Time on PBS Station for Children Aged 3 to 8

When I was a kid in the public schools, there were events of supposedly educational value featuring Bible study (which the 1960s school prayer decisions didn't really rule out explicitly; Oklahoma law has long allowed this and recently requires somw form of it again). Since I was Catholic, and the program was clearly Protestant, I was excused from attending and allowed to sit alone in the classroom while everybody else was in the cafeteria "benefiting" from their "educational" experience. Our State Superintendent of Schools has decreed bible study again, and guess what Bible? The one with the Constitution and Declaration of Independence bound together with it--selling for 60 bucks, proceeds going to the Pres, himself, of course! As a Christian, do I approve? Hell, No! Do I see a similarity between this and the Drag Queen Study Hour. Hell. yes! Because both involve imposing controversial programs on kids without parental consent. I'd be hard pressed to make a principled argument that one is okay and the other isn't. Republican Tricia Flanagan who ran for the Senate from New Jersey for the U.S.Senate in 2020, said: "If American tax dollars can be used to pay for 3-8-year-olds to watch this PBS Drag Queen Story hour, then I demand equal tax dollars go to also read them Bible stories."

Why didn't you say so earlier? It would have saved a lot of time and energy. I'm in 100% agreement! Trump is an expert on sensing and exploiting divisions. That's why Dems need to be careful in picking their battles and watching their tone. We've made great headway in recent years advancing LGBTQ issues, but the pendulum has swung. To avoid a replay of the 2024 debacle, Dems might reconsider the benefits and costs of DQSH, "in your face" culture wars issues, and usage of terms like "rubes". Those rubes may outnumber us, and are armed and dangerous!
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I was referring to the refusal to speak up on issues disagreed with when the Democrats were in charge, but the world is burning under Trump.

If someone's not happy with the candidates running, by all means--Don't vote.

 

Just because someone didn't vote doesn't automatically mean they weren't speaking up. I think you are judging their character without bothering to find out what their character is.

I am trying to find out what your character is but you refused to answer that part of my reply. I will add it here one more time incase you missed it.

Correct me if I am wrong but you voted for Trump, yes? Why? Because you believe him to be a moral, upstanding person that cares about all US citizens? I doubt it. So what made you vote for someone like him and what does that say about your character? I am genuinely curious.

 

I stopped voting for anyone in the UK because no matter what they call their party and no matter what they say they stand for they all work for the same masters and throw us a few bones every once in a why. We are fodder.

 

I would also like anyone who voted for Trump to give a truly logical reason for their choice other than Making America Great Again - so far so good on that score as he has pretty much isolated the US from all friends and foe. I guess America being great means you bully everyone else on the planet along with a huge number of its own population.

 

I think Trump and Putin have a secret bromance going on. (and watch out Canada you are smack dab in the middle of them if they truly fall out)