Worst President of US

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Who was the worst US president?

  1. Trump

  2. Obama

  3. Bush Sr

  4. Bush Jr

  5. Clinton

  6. Reagan

  7. Nixon

  8. Johnson

  9. Kennedy

  10. Eisenhower

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  1. dd788snipe

    dd788snipe Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    I grew up during the Cold War. Served in the Navy 1974-81. I had 2 uncle's that were MPs (that military police for you) that worked Check Point Charlie in Berlin in the late 50s and early 60s. My father was Army for 6 years and was in Korea for 2 years 1951 to 1953. So with that said don't try to tell me what a Communist, socialist, and Fascist is. I'm very well educated. Obviously you are not from your questions and post but you want to be ruled by them. That's obvious. So since you're brainwashed to the fact that it's a better life there's no changing your mind or help for you. In fact why don't you relocate to Venezuela. Maybe you'll be happier. Have a nice day now.
     
  2. dd788snipe

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    No help for you and I'm not wasting my time trying but you have a nice day now.
     
  3. newo

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    Does this mean goodbye? :)
     
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  4. Vladimir Illich

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    I'm a 'fellow traveller'. In 1969 I was in Red Square in Moscow to attend the anniversary of the Russian Revolution !!! I even carried a banner with some of those taking part in the celebration and walked across Red Square with it !!!

    I've lost count of the number of marches and demonstrations I took part in, in support of those not prepared to knuckle down to those on the 'right' /
     
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  5. Tishomingo

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    Sources? What Alternative Facts media are you tuned into?
    In other words, you think those personal experiences, which have little or nothing to do with Fascism, make you some kind of expert on political movements? Your father's and uncle's experiences in the military, commendable as they are, are irrelevant to an understanding of political movements. I notice you didn't include any books or college courses on your resume, although you tell us you're "very well-educated". It's possible to have a doctorate in technical field like engineering or the natural sciences and not know diddly about politics or social movements. Your response makes clear that you can't tell a Fascist from a Communist--and can't really think straight. There's a phenomenon psychologists called the Dunning-Kruger syndrome whereby ignorant people are too ignorant to be aware of their own ignorance.
    The Dunning–Kruger Effect: On Being Ignorant of One's Own Ignorance - ScienceDirect
    Some psychologists think this might explain the MAGA phenomenon. The Dunning-Kruger Effect May Help Explain Trump's Support
    I think you're post may provide a good illustration.

    As for your statement that I want to be ruled by Communists or Fascists--no way, brother. I'd rather die first. That's why I'm worried about the coming elections, since the MAGA wing of the Republican Party is a true Fascist movement (Biden was wrong about the "semi" part. And as a Native American, I don't feel compelled to go anywhere. My people were moved around too much during the Trail of Tears. Venezuela sucks! If you like nationalistic authoritarians so much, why don't you move to Hungary? I like this country fine the way it is now: a relatively democratic republic. To keep it that way, VOTE DEMOCRAT !
     
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  6. Joboo6

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    I try and talk to two of my sisters that cannot Trump out of their head, I’ve never seen them with so much hate. But, they are in the teachers union, that about sums up their controlled thinking. My problem with them is they both said they didn’t care how it effected our country as long as he wasn’t president.
    I didn’t vote for Trump when he won but I sure voted for him the second time. Why? because he delivered on his campaign promises. His childish way of addressing those who oppose and make up news was bothersome to me but not enough to “cut off my nose to spite my face.”
     
  7. Tishomingo

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    Did you like the way he handled the COVID pandiemic? Drink a lot of hydroxychloroquine did you? What about trying to use military aid money to extort the President of Ukraine into trying to dig up dirt on Biden's son? Or his telephone call to the Georgia Secretary of State to "find" 11,780 votes ? What about the magnificent way he handled the January 1 assault on our Capitol? Or his mishandling our top secret classified documents. So you like crime bosses? I say LOCK HIM UP!
     
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  8. Tyrsonswood

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    No help for these righties--that they just seem to hunger for an autocracy is evident by their worship of the lying crook, trump, with his "the press is the enemy of the people", bullshit, the FBI are "horrible monsters"and so on. Pure incitement to violence.They still never answer my questions concerning trumps actions over the years, because to do so would expose their abject stupidity pertaining as to how a democracy should work and why a malignant narcissist like trump should never have been within a hundred miles of the presidency. Mind you, I'm not oblivious as to the fact that our monetary / economic system has been and is still rigged against working people in many ways. One can mostly thank the anti union, pro 1%ers that inhabit the republican party for that.
    It's becoming more evident every time that fat bitch opens his mouth that he actually wants his cultists to overthrow the government and install him as dictator in chief.:mad: LOCK HIM UP, for the good of this nation.
     
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  10. MeAgain

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    You are presenting three forms of argument.
    The first is that because you served in the Navy and grew up in the Cold War era, you are knowledgeable about communism, socialism, and fascism. However merely living during the Cold War or being in the Navy, either as an E3 cook or as the captain of a nuclear submarine, doesn't necessarily mean you are knowledgeable about communism, socialism, and fascism even though you may be an expert in the galley or in the control room of a submarine.
    I guess this would be a form of an appeal to accomplishment.

    The second argument takes the form of an association fallacy in that you are claiming that because you have associated, or known certain individuals who may or may not in themselves know anything about communism, socialism, and fascism; you have somehow acquired knowledge of these things.

    The third is an appeal to authority, presumably because you are well educated. That would be fine if you were well educated in political science. You may or may not be, you haven't told us one way or the other.

    Why not tell us what you, yourself, understand about communism, socialism, and fascism and how your understanding of them relates to your claim that we have (in Biden) "a Fascist in the Whitehouse with Socialist and Communist setting the agenda."
    Please cite, with links, examples of actions or statements made by Biden and how they relate to him being a fascist with a communist and socialist agenda.
    Then we can have an intelligent conversation about your idea without anyone in this thread getting nasty.


     
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  13. Tishomingo

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    You left out some things. From the days of his 2016 campaign to the aftermath of his ignominious days in office, he was a consistent critic of NATO and a Putin ass kisser. He said repeatedly that NATO is "obsolete" and more importantly, he said he was willing to ignore Art.5 for mutual defense of members he thought were not paying their fair share, , When asked on April 16, 2022, by FOX commentator Sean Hannity about Putin's invasion of Ukraine, Trump responded by criticizing NATO, which he described as a "paper tiger". Stop believing what the MAGA media, FOX & Friends, Newmax, OAN, the Trump News network and the rest of the disinformation sites. They'll rot your brain!
     
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  14. Tishomingo

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    Good job of exposing the conceptual confusion.dd788snipe's touting of experiential credentials reminded me of the old commercial "I'm not a doctor, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn". He seems to be conflating communism, socialism, and fascism. Admittedly, communism and fascism are abhorrent authoritarian regimes, but they're very different in important respects. Communism purports to be international in its orientation and goals, is anti-capitalist, and relies on a pseudo-scientific ideology claiming to predict the future by knowing the laws of history and the dialectic. Fascism is ultra-nationalist in its orientation and relies on a romantic ideology stressing national destiny. The MAGA movement, with its America First sloganry, hyper-rnationalism and "Great Replacement" ideology is a good example of Fascism American-style. .

    It's also amusing to see how dd788snipe assumes that since I don't like Trump and seem to be left of center, I must be some kind of Commie or at least a Socialist. I'm neither--not even "woke"--and certainly not a Fascist. (He might look in the mirror for an example of that, if he likes Trumo and MAGA maggots sso much. ) Biden isn't one either.
     
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  15. dd788snipe

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    You're still brainwash. You haven't had a critical thought in what, forever and what you posted proves it. Obviously there is no discussion here. You're all right and l'm wrong. No Matter what my education is. That is the problem and that's why we as Americans will lose our liberty and freedom and become a socialist Communist 3rd world country. I guess ignorance is bliss.
     
  16. Vladimir Illich

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    Yeah, I like it !!! - bring it on !!!
     
  17. MeAgain

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    Well I had to delete dd78snipe's answer to my post as he or she just said "F u"......and so on.
    So much for intelligent discussion.
     
  18. MeAgain

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    Clearly there is no discussion with you as your reply to my post proves, not to mention this reply to Tishomingo.
    I had hoped to have a rational exchange of ideas.
     
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  19. newo

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    We're not about to become a communist country simply by helping poor people get by, much less a third world country. Apparently you'd prefer we lose our liberty and freedom by becoming a fascist country. And if ignorance is bliss then why are you so pissed off?
     
  20. Tishomingo

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    Did you mean brainwashed? The proof would be in the pudding. I earlier put forward the distinctive characteristics of fascism and explained how the MAGA movement matches up perfectly. An intelligent response to that would be to explain where you think the analysis went wrong. Instead you respond like a kid on the playground calling names and touting the fact that you had relatives overseas in the military after World War II. Like most MAGA types, your standard defense mechanism is projection: accusing others of being brainwashed while you are plugged into the truth. In fact, it's just the reverse.You've shown us you can't think straight.You rally around a fat crime boss who is chummy with Putin and Kim Jong-un, who steals our top secret info and stores it in his basement, who sided with Russia against Ukraine, and who said he admired the way Hitler controlled his generals (apparently not realizing they tried to kill Hitler). He instigated the January 6 attack on our Capitol and calls the rabble he roused "Patriots" when really they're a bunch of filthy traitors to our Constitution and our democracy.
     
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