Worst President of US

Discussion in 'Political Polls' started by Chinese Troubadour, Aug 12, 2006.

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Who was the worst US president?

  1. Trump

  2. Obama

  3. Bush Sr

  4. Bush Jr

  5. Clinton

  6. Reagan

  7. Nixon

  8. Johnson

  9. Kennedy

  10. Eisenhower

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  1. newo

    newo Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Sounds appropriate to me. It cuts right to the chase!
     
  2. Tyrsonswood

    Tyrsonswood Senior Moment Lifetime Supporter

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    First of all, what the fuck is MSM propaganda...

    And, you seem to be confused with all your "ist" terminology. A "Fascist, Socialist, Communist" can't exist.

    And, it is the far right that are the Fascists around here... That would be the little red hat people.
     
  3. Tyrsonswood

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    Fourteen Characteristics of Fascism

    1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
    Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.


    2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
    Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of \u201cneed.\u201d The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.


    3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
    The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.


    4. Supremacy of the Military
    Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.


    5. Rampant Sexism
    The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.


    6. Controlled Mass Media
    Sometimes the media are directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media are indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.


    7. Obsession with National Security
    Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.


    8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
    Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.


    9. Corporate Power is Protected
    The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.


    10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.


    11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free _expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.


    12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations


    13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.


    14. Fraudulent Elections
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
     
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  4. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    The MSM is the mainstream media, I suppose. You know the media outlets that check their sources, admit mistakes, aren't intimidated by power, present balanced opinions and strive for impartiality.

    The problem is that when these MSM outlets present their findings it often contradicts the messages that Trump and his allies are putting out. Now as they don't kowtow to the current propaganda, in the eyes of those who have fallen for the bull shit Trump and his kind are selling, they, the MSM, must be at fault.
    And as the MSM doesn't agree with the "Big Lie" and all its various unproven and frankly silly conspiracy theories, they obviously are communist/socialist organizations (even though that label is contradictory) run by fascists (even thought that term isn't understood by those who use it.)

    In short those that make these kinds of claims have no idea what they're taking about..they are just parroting what they have been told.
     
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  5. Tyrsonswood

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    I guess... When I look up MSM all I get is "MSM (Methylsulfonylmethane)" which is some kind of supplement.
     
  6. Vladimir Illich

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    Wrong Opera matey, - G & S wrote a much more appropriate one - The Mikado and this aria is from that opera.

     
  7. Flagme15

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    tbh I don't really care what happens in britain. Once you all voted for brexit, I gave up on any hope for your country.
     
  8. Echtwelniet

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    Thomas Jefferson imo.............Just to throw some oil on the fire....:D

    Doesnt matter wich(list) they all ran behind the money(banks/industry/ect).....system.....some more then others.



    Same here(NL/EU)............more and more:(

    Mzzls
     
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  9. scratcho

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    These righties NEVER answer or comment on my questions. I suppose that goes along with cult membership and the refusal to see what a fuckin' waste of a human trump is.

    How about commenting on my posts 842 and 846? Yup---that's what I thought.;)
     
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    It’s nice to see fuel prices dropping before the elections.
     
  11. newo

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    We were talking about fascism, here's one definition: A system of government characterized by rigid one-party dictatorship, forcible suppression of opposition, private economic enterprise under centralized governmental control, belligerent nationalism, racism, and militarism.

    Trump may not quite have achieved this, but it sounds like one of his long-term goals!
     
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  12. Tyrsonswood

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    Watch until the end...
     
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  13. Tishomingo

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    I think there's more to it than that. Fascism, a political system and movement pioneered by Mussolini and Hitler, had several distinguishing characteristics: cult of personality (der fuhrer or il duce), nativism (protecting the interests of native-born inhabitants against outsiders) and xenophobic nationalism, use of paramilitary militias to intimidate or use violence against adversaries, and contempt for democracy. This seems to fit the MAGA crowd like a glove. Retrumplicans have no real ideology beyond follow the leader, who is above the law. They fear the Great Replacement by Jews, immigrants and racial minorities. They favor extreme "go it alone" nationalism contemptuous of allies and trading partners. And hey deploy the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, Boogaloo Boyz, Thirteen Percenters and other organized riffraff to invade the Capitol and beat up on police officers. So what's missing? If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and fucks like a duck, we can draw the obvious conclusion.
     
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  14. dd788snipe

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    Then you don't know what a Fascist is. When you educate yourself then you can talk. Still drunk on the propaganda I see because everything you just said makes absolutely no sense.
     
  15. dd788snipe

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    No he had a very good relationship with NATO and Asia. What your posting is what the Media put out that hated President Trump.
     
  16. wilsjane

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    Did you know that Gilbert and Sullivan made several operettas mocking the rich and stupid or the day. The example I attached premiered at the time when the government appointed a first lord of the admiralty who had never served in the navy. On his first day, while he was inspecting the fleet, he threw up. The ships were at anchor in the harbor.

    Several attempts were made to ban the opperas. This one was the best example. Never mock a Judge. LOL

     
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  17. scratcho

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    Trump said NATO was obsolete. That's a good relationship? :confused: He loves the dictators of Russia and China--he said so. Wonder where those missing papers went?

    No one can dislodge these dumb-ass cult members from lapping up trumps bullshit!
     
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  18. Tishomingo

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    Uh, hate to break it to you, but you're the one who's out to lunch where political terminology is concerned. No sense arguing with you, since you seem to be beyond the pale. But I think most rational, educated, informed people will be able to spot your confused thinking--maybe not the MAGA crowd, but most people. For starters, can you name a few books you've read on the subject?
     
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  19. newo

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    "NATO survived one of the gravest contestations in its history, and this outcome was not predetermined."

    "NATO leaders strategically navigated the dilemma of hegemonic contestation by signalling sufficient adaptation to placate the US president while protecting core features of the alliance from Trump's demands. Indeed, had NATO leaders acted as passive servants, as most writing on the subject presumes, Trump could have been much more destructive. Congress would have prevented Trump from formally withdrawing the United States from NATO—in 2019, both the House of Representatives and the Senate passed legislation to prevent him from using federal funds to bring about such a withdrawal."

    Why shouldn't the media hate Trump? Any time they criticize him he calls it, "Fake news!" and he's called them the enemy of the people. He tells his sheeple not to believe anything the mainstream media says about him, and they don't. And now even Fox News has become too liberal for him.

    With very few exceptions the media carefully verifies what it reports beforehand, and if it seems like they're out to get him, it's because he's so gettable. The former President is a goddamn criminal and must be held accountable for his actions and the damage he's done.

    Snipey, are you serious? After all this time you still can't see that Trump is totally completely full of shit?
     
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  20. dd788snipe

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    No he said they need to pay their FAIR SHARE. Now tell me what's wrong with that. We, Americans were paying the bulk of their share. Like I said stop believing what the Trump hating MSM is saying and do some research on your own.
     
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