World War III

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Cheers Glen.

 

sorry i didn't mean iraq was the sole war of shit and greed, more that wars over shit and greed are one type of tragedy death

i said apples and oranges because you can't just compare raw data of death tolls between all wars, all are different, all are tragic

 

When you are talking about the loss of life, you can't compare death tolls?

That doesn't even come close to making sense...

Okay, that's not quite right, that makes no sense, unless you put a lesser value on the deaths of some wars.

 

...actually I do.

 

meh i don't really care if i make sense to you sorry

 

interesting...

 

ya

 

I think to sum up basically all wars are tragic, but death tolls don't always count as some wars are fought with a good cause and reason behind it.

but fuck it, let's look at some death tolls anyways of the deadliest conflicts of the 20th century

WW2: 55-72 million
WW1: 15-65million(high number includes 1918 flu outbreak)
Russian Civil war: 5-9 million
Second congo war: 4-6 million
Korean war: 2.5 -3.5 million
Vietnam: 2.5 - 5 million
Afghan civil war - circa 1.5 million and still going

 

I think it's just a reaction to loss of life in general.
People think 4000 dead is horrible, and people think 60 million dead is horrible.
They are both horrible, there's nothing wrong with thinking that 4000 dead troops and god knows how many civilians in this war is sad and repulsive, because it is.

You're looking at it logically. Speaking quantitatively, yes, 1,357,800 is a greater number than 4697, but how people feel about the loss of life isn't a logical process. Both numbers are tragic, I don't understand the point in trying to consider one "more tragic" then the other.

 

The numbers aren't the fucking point. When I asked for the exact number of people who had to die for it to be considered I wasn't expecting page after page of statistics.

There is a much bigger thing going on than a numbers game here. You can realize that or just downplay the situation until the numbers inevitably get a lot bigger.

 

I didnt die in iraq, only a part of me did..

 

Do you people grasp that those 'numbers' and statistics' that you claim dont matter, are peoples fucking lives?

How fucking dare you say that 4000 people dying is in any way close to the same as 1 million people dying...

You want to know why the world is so fucked up? Because of this stupid fucking bullshit right here....

You are the ones that are playing games with numbers and statistics, talking about deaths in one war dont mean the same as others do.

Each one of those numbers is someones child and each counts the same as any other.

ANd 1 million is a fuck of a lot greater then 4000.

This idea that there could be some sort of sliding scale of value to be placed on life according to some criteria that you think is appropriate, make each of you 1000 times worse then ANY politician in history...

Loving, life respecting people??? Yeah right!

 

Exactly. Which is why any loss of life is tragic.
If that is understood, then why is it important to say one war is "more tragic" than the other? They are all tragic, why do the number of deaths need to be quantifed, so we can rank up wars in a top 10 tragic list based on who died more?

That's like the exact opposite of what people are doing. People are stating that all wars are tragic, and any loss of life is sad and hurtful, whether it be one or one million.
If anything, it sounds like you are who has the "sliding scale of value" to measure tragedy based on how many people died.

 

if 4000 people dying is just as tragic as 1 million people dying, then those 1 million people must each not be as tragic as each of the 4000.

This isn't a 'math' thing...

This is a lives thing... unless you want to put individual values on each person death, discounting some as unimportant, some as not quite as important as others, then more lives lost, equals greater tragedy.

 

Are you really this fucked in the head? The lack of intelligence it takes to say shit like this is astounding.

Either a life is unique and precious and equal to other lives, or it isn't. If it is, (as I have been maintaining), then loosing more of them is a greater loss.

But you know what guys... I don't really give a fuck anymore what you think, as you obviously can't grasp basic concepts such as 10 is more the 1...

The lot of you really should run out and start looking for work in politics though, you definitely all have a knack for the games they play.

 

Then why are you making it one?
This isn't something that is looked at "logically". You're number crunching deaths man, and it's actually represents an insensitive attitude towards loss as a whole.

What can I say Tom?
I guess I'll do this short and sweet and without resorting to attacking you and insulting your intelligence - I don't feel the need to quantify death tolls in order qualify wars and proclaim that one war is "more tragic" than another, because I realize that any amount of loss of life is tragic. To take that to the next level and say "x is more tragic than y because x=1,000,000 where y=4,000" is what I believe to be the very thing that you accuse me of doing.
It's a matter of feeling and principle, not number-crunching and logic.

 

Your math is dreadful. If each life is unique and precious and equal to other lives, Then by definition, 10 lives is not worth more than one. Equal precludes more or less.

 

About 4,800 soldiers have died in Iraq s ofar.

Almost 500,000 died in WW2

I think those 4,800 are more tragic.


Point is numbers don't mean shit, the causes and reasons for fighting behind them do.

 

or as your original post said;

I understand completely what you are saying...

in the case of the Iraq war, each one of those deaths was as tragic as 100 people dying in wwII...

makes total sense...

 

I changed it to Iraq because the death toll between it and WW2 is much greater then Vietnam and WW2

You need to seriously stop looking at numbers, and look at the larger picture, I don't give a fuck if 10 million Americans died in WW2, Iraq and Vietnam would still be more tragic. War is more then just people fighting, drunk people who pull guns on each other is people fighting. War is cause and effect. The people who had relatives die in WW2 can tell themselves those dead helped bring down fascism around the world and liberate entire continents from oppression.

What do you tell the people who died in Iraq, George Bush is an asshole, sorry?