World War III?

FYI: I went to a Methodist college. Spartanburg Methodist College, in south Carolina, below the bible belt. My religion classes were pretty biased. (in the way of christianity) But I had a good teacher, who always said, "Its your own interpretation, this is mine, but take from it what you feel you believe." In other words, the trinity was presented to me. I didn't refuse the concept. But I don't put jesus higher than God. Because its "The God/Father (depending on translation), the Son, and the Holy Spirit." Does this make up one entity. (no) Is it a metaphor. (Maybe) You cant take the bible word for word, time and man has altered it. Take from it what you see fit, but dont put other people down because they don't believe what you do. Why is it usually christians arguing with other Christians, or Christians arguing with athiests? I just dont get it. Maybe because im not out to "save" everyone. Maybe because I just leave people alone who seem good in nature and lead a good life, and are happy with what they believe. All what religion is in general is "fuck up insurance." You put time and money into it over time and you hope it pays off in the end (if you fuck up and die). I just chose the best policy that suits me best, because I feel comfortable with it. God forbid I feel comfortable. Anyways If ya wanna have a religious debate, start one in the Christianity thread, politics and religion dont mix.

 

Please answer just one question for me. Who made everything? Was it Jesus or His Father?

 

Well that's the big problem with evolution, there is no evidence. It is the sacred cow of false science. And finally many scientist are beginning to come out of the closet and say so. Science has had over one hundred years to show evolution in the fossil record. To date, they have failed to show even one trans-species in the fossil record. Evolution is a religion that requires blind faith. The bible has the evidence to support it's claims, evolution has nothing. Sorry Verdana, no mater what science tries the theory just won't fly, and they know it.

 

Then you need to take a science class, buddy, if you actually think that the Bible proves more about our past than science can.

Oh, and I'm sure you go out and preach these lies to people to try to convert them, and I think that is an outright shame. In fact, the bible talkes about false prophets. You sound like one of them to me. Stop lying to people.

Your prophectic proof is just interpretations and guesswork - you can't prove prophecy
ALL your archeological proof comes from a liar named Ron Wyatt, and I have given you plenty of resources why he is a fake.
And your scientific proof is that it proves more than evolution (which is a lie, BTW)?

You are a liar.

I have no problem with christians teaching others their religion, but don't LIE to them. Even in my fundamentalist upbringing I was told that there was no proof of god, you HAVE to use faith to believe in god.

Isaiah 44
25 who foils the signs of false prophets
and makes fools of diviners,
who overthrows the learning of the wise
and turns it into nonsense,

Jeremiah 23
16 This is what the LORD Almighty says:

"Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you;
they fill you with false hopes.
They speak visions from their own minds,
not from the mouth of the LORD

Matthew 7:15
"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

 

I found a fossil of a dinosaur today. That's evidence that Darwin was wrong, cuz the bloody bible tells us that dinosaurs had never existed.


Who created us...?
Our imaginations did.

 

Nope, wrong again. Yay another uneducated person spouting what they think about The Bible when in reality they haven't sat down and studdied it. The Bible does mention Dinosaurs. Check out the book Job.

 

Wrong, the bible actually speaks about dinosaurs in the book of job, and actually describes one that was living at that time which was only about 4000 years ago.

 

You didn't read my post did you? Of course I believe its his father. But im sure be took alot longer than 4000 years to make it. Time according to God would be Different then time according to us. Evolution did happen, that doesn't mean that we wern't created by god. Preachers (southern baptist) would always say "scientists one by one are saying evolution is wrong." Thats BS. If they did it was taken out of context, or they just were not a good scientist anyway. I guess the whole light travel (fact) is wrong too. You know the speed of light. And Light is still getting here on earth from stars that burned out millions of years ago. You know also how were able to look very deeply into space and see the beginning of the cosmos (hubble images) galaxys that are billions of years old. I guess if you wanna belive the earth is just a few thousand years old, more power to you, but just dont try to prove anyone wrong on evolution. It happend, deal with it, you came from an ameoba.

 

Correction Dinasaur. (1) They mentions "a Behemoth." Which could be just about any recently extinct animal over the past 4000 years. There were alot of big animals back in the day. Just to let you know, I think your the only one sounding uneducated. Sunday school doesn't qualify as college credits.

 

According to Colossians 1:16 Paul states that Jesus Christ made all things.
And according to the Old Testament God the Father made all things.
So could you explain this to me? Also remember God can create things with the appearence of age. When Adam was made by God he had the appearence of age, not a baby. So if a scientist does not believe in the THEORY of eveolution he is a bad scientist. So this is the litmus test of a good scientist. WOW. Well im sorry to bust your bubble but we got a lot of good scientist who are failing the test. And could you tell me were evolution is clearly shown in the fossil record. After all, the theory of evolution has been around for one hundred years, you should be able to show me one trans-species in the fossil record. You know there are millions of fossils. Maybe a fish with legs. Or how about a snake with arms.

 

There ya go with that jesus Christ BS.
1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Doesnt say, how long this took, what method he used, nope. Maybe you believe in a god thats different than mine. My god could create somthing like evolution, to create humans. It may seem like 7 days to him, but to humans it could be billions of years.

 

the ancient lung fish, evovled into being able to "walk" on land with its fins when there pond dried up, so that they could "walk" over to another pond. the ones with weak fins died, the ones with strong fins survived to reproduce in its new enrionment. this led to fins turning into limbs, which are better suited for land travel. then, other body parts changed, such as eyes and skin changed to better suit its new environment. today's lung fish dig into the dirt when its pond dries up and hides until the next rain.

evolution has to do with life forms evolving to better suit there environment. maybe if you actually did some real research and not get your information from the bible, then maybe you wouldn't be so blind to evolution, because evolution is all around us.

 

Here's soem fossil records for ya. It was easy for me to find with some simple research. If you are interested there is a lot of information available about evolution. You just gotta look.



Evidence of Evolutionary Transitions:
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/benton2.html

Archaeopteryx - half reptile, half bird

The first dramatic missing link came to light in 1861, only a couple of years after Darwin's Origin of Species had been published. The first specimen of Archaeopteryx was discovered in a limestone quarry in southern Germany, and it was studied avidly by scientists throughout Europe. Early writers, such as Thomas Henry Huxley, immediately noticed that Archaeopteryx was an intermediate form.

It had bird characters, feathers and wings.
It also had reptilian characters, the skeleton of a small theropod (flesh-eating) dinosaur, with a long bony tail, fingers with claws on the leading edge of the wing, and teeth in the jaws.

The role of Archaeopteryx has been debated ever since 1861. Is it really a missing link between reptiles and birds, or is it just a bird and not a missing link at all?

A further seven skeletons have come to light, and all of them confirm that Huxley was correct.
In addition, fantastic new specimens of birds have been found in Spain and China, which are some 30 or 40 million years younger than Archaeopteryx, and they are more bird-like, exactly as an evolutionist predicts.
<LI>The new Spanish and Chinese birds have short bony tails, and their hand claws are reduced - they are becoming more bird-like.
The Chinese localities have not only produced amazing new birds, but also new dinosaur specimens with feathers!
These new specimens clinch the argument. Archaeopteryx is no longer on its own, a single species that attests to the reality of an evolutionary transition from reptiles to birds. Below it, on the evolutionary tree, stretch countless theropod dinosaurs that become ever more birdlike through time, and above it stretch numerous bird species that bridge every step of the way from Archaeopteryx to fully-fledged birds. A long series of fossils through the Jurassic and Cretaceous periods, a span of 140 million years, document the evolutionary transition from reptile to bird.



And an article about a legged sea cow found in Jamacia

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/10/1010_jamaicaseacow.html


I'm not pretending to be a scientist and knoweldgable in the area of evolution, but, to me, a theory that we can actually have success with studing scientifically is going to take more priority in my book than a theory that everything just popped here into existance.

And evolution does not necessarily disprove the existance of god. We, as humans, have forced evolution on animals. We have many breeds of domestic animals. They evolved.

To evolve is simply to change.

In my opinion a christian HAS to believe in evolution to some extent to believe in the story of Noah's ark, because there is no way that Noah could take two of every single animal, reptile, insect, amphibian, etc, that is on this planet today with him in the ark.

 

sorry for breaking into your thread, but ive been away from this forum for some unknown reason..... would anyone care to tell me how this changed from World War 3 to bible-evolution arguments?

 

That's because Campbell and JesusDiedForU found this forum. And has delighted us with their fundamentalist ideals.

 

thats enough info for me....thank ya

i wouldve read myself, but i skipped from page 2 to page 13.

 

Actually the bible clearly states that in Gods time seven of our days is seven thousands years in God's time.
But the question I wanted you to answer was, If the New Testament states that Jesus made all things, and the Old Testament states the the Father made all things, which one of them really made all things?

 

This isn't directed to me, but whatever. It means that the people who wrote the bible got confused and couldn't keep track of each other's thoughts..... this is just one example of the obvious lies in the bibles.

 

Except he thinks that god, jesus, and the holy spirit are one in the same entity. And since he is campbell34, his interpretation of the bible is the correct one.

We've been round and round in circles with this guy, but I know he would take that opening to explain how it is not a contradiction, so I'll beat him to the punch. (and he thinks I've never read the bible...)

 

I see, and is that recorded in the fosssil record. You did say it evolved, so what post can you direct me to? I would really like to see how this happened over millions of years.