World War III?

Ya'all gotta stop bickering with Campbell and Jesusdiedfor U. Some bent wires or posers. I bet posers. What fifty-four year old man would spew such hateful stuff? I can't imagine anyone living so long, and posting as he does. They do not properly example decent Christians. They are politicians at best, the worst kind in my opinion.

A perfect example of using science, which he almost refutes by each post, to validate his world view. "Proofs?"

 

A lot people tried to refute why the eastern gate still remains closed today.... many tried... all failed
http://hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15337

 

Babylon is center of world trade Jer 51:44; Rev 17;18
Babylon would grow to be the richest nation in the world Rev. 18:3,7,19,23
Babylon is a huge exporter of MUSIC Rev 18:22
Babylons musicians are known around the world Rev 18:22
Babylon has a huge space industry, has "mounted up to the heavens" Jer 51:53
Babylon fortifies her skies with a huge military aviation program Jer 51:53
Babylon is a costal nation and sits upon MANY WATERS Jer 51:13
Babylon is a nation filled with a "mingled" people Jer 50:37
Babylon is a REPUBLIC or a DEMOCRACY, it is ruled by many counsels Isa 47:13
Babylon is noted for her iron and steel production Rev 18:12
Babylon is a nation with a GREAT VOICE in world appairs Jer 51:55
Babylon has huge corporations that have bases around the world Rev 18:23
Babylon will have a major enemy to her north Jer 50:3,9,41
Babylon would be a home to multitudes of Jews who leave Jer 50:4-6, 8; 51:6
The people of Babylon would go into deep sins of all kinds Rev 18:5
Babylon becomes proud, haughty, and does not consider her end Isa 47:7to 11.
Babylon would be the youngest and greatest of the end time nations Jer 50:12
All of Babylons cities will be burned and even the countries near Babylon Jer 50:32
Babylon shall be destroyed in one hours time Rev 18:10

 

Well actually it is only hateful if it is a lie. I don't make this stuff up. I only read what is there. I don't want to see any of this happen. I really can't stand change. The bible states that Christ return will be like the flood. No one believed Noah and they suffered because of it. The fact is, almost every prophet that God sent to this world was killed because the people made the same claims. "These men are not of God, kill them." No one wants to hear this kind of stuff, so they kill the messenger. As far as being political. I vote in every election and that is where it ends for me. America has about 30 years left, i'm not being hateful, I being truthful. It nolonger matters who wins this election, this nation has murdered 40 million of it's citizens. We soon will be entering Gods third day, find Christ while there is still time. Yes im a 54 year old man but the God people don't believe in I have already experienced. In my 54 years I have had encounters with demons, I have heard the voice of God, a vision of the coming anti-christ, and I have walked the approaches of heaven. The things that I speak of here are true and will happen.

 

I don't believe you are a messenger and I don't believe your 'proofs.' But I would not keep you from speaking or harm you in the least. Not ever.

 

It strikes me as amazing that you cannot look with educated eyes on the words you qoute so readily and see that they are spoken concerning the current events of the time in which they were written. These things came to pass long, long ago.

Do you know what was going on around Jeremiah when he wrote these words? He was very plainly writing about his own time. When God spoke to him it had far more immediate implications.

So too, was Isaiah who claimed to be "a man of unclean lips" who "dwelt in the midst of a people of unclean lips." His words were for himself and the people of his troubled time.

The same with Revelations, which deals with the time of Nero.

These things are plain to see if you only take the time to study the history of the periods during which they were written. But you choose to ignore that history.

You look at the words of others and interperet them as you wish. Were I so inclined, I could apply these words to any other moment in our past, and get the same apocalyptic message as if it had been specifically intended to be applied to that particular period. Any hack could do it, and in fact, they have been doing it for a long, long time. Why should your interperetation of these scriptures be taken any more seriously than theirs?

If God had spoken to you as you claim, you wouldn't be spending your time quoting the words of past prophets. You would be shouting the words He spoke to you and you alone, as the other prophets did.

 

LOL... ok, here I come in defense of the uncertain prophet (Uncertain by not pronouncing the new communications.) Know1nozme, please note that the above was a mistake when you were posting? ARRRGGHH!!!!! Would you all palease, lighten up, just a little. I didn't remember him posting that...

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and then there came the images of the crazy cracker,

copying the proof before the final edit

using said to intimidate... oh so cleverly...

The Skull! The Skull!

Rage and crack the open skull, existing still alone!

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::wakes up::

Um..did I just go off on an intangible?

I'm not Satan, I'm possesed and of unclean lips.

 

Thanks for the heads up. Much appreciated. I fixed it.

BTW - I love Beckett's work, too.

 

WELL THAT'S EASY TO SAY BUT THE BIBLE DESCRIBES A PLACE THAT IS NOTHING LIKE THE ONE IN THE HISTORY BOOK. THE NEW BABYLON WILL BE BUILT ON MANY WATERS, WITH A SPACE PROGRAM, MANY CITIES, IT IS DESCRIBED AS A NATION, THEY HAVE A MOUNTAIN OF WAR, THEY HAVE THERE OWN PERSONAL SEA, IT IS A LAND OF MINGLED PEOPLE, IT IS THE MERCHANT NATION OF THE WORLD, THE NATIONS FLOCK TO THIS PLACE, IT WILL HAVE AN ENEMY TO HER NORTH THAT WILL DESTROY ALL OF HER CITIES WITH FIRE IN ONE HOURS TIME. sHE WILL HAVE A LARGE JEWISH POPULATION WHICH WILL HAVE TO LEAVE AND RETURN TO JERUSALEM. THE ENEMY OF JERUSALEM WILL BE THE ENEMY OF BABYLON. JER(USA)LEM

 

Look at what you are saying, man. A Space Program and a mountain of war - all that from one line in Jeremiah? Please, spare us your apocalyptic interperetations. You are seeing only what you want to see. Had God shown you these things, you would have no need to quote others, you would use the words He spoke directly to you.

Let's see: Jeremiah 51:53 "Though Babylon should mount up to heaven, and though she should fortify the height of her strength, yet from Me shall spoilers come unto her, saith HaShem." I see no space program mentioned here. Perhaps you are reading more into it than it says.

Hmm.. Perhaps a different translation...

Here's King James: "Though Babylon should mount up to heaven, and though she should fortify the height of her strength, [yet] from me shall spoilers come unto her, saith the LORD. "

Here's the New Living Translation: "Though Babylon reaches as high as the heavens, and though she increases her strength immeasurably, I will send enemies to plunder her," says the Lord."

Here's the New King James:
"Though Babylon were to mount up to heaven,
And though she were to fortify the height of her strength,
Yet from Me plunderers would come to her," says the Lord."

Here's the New American Standard Bible: "Though Babylon should ascend to the heavens, And though she should fortify her lofty stronghold, From Me destroyers will come to her," declares the LORD."

Here's Websters: "Though Babylon should mount up to heaven, and though she should fortify the hight of her strength, [yet] from me shall spoilers come to her, saith the LORD."

Here's Young's Literal Translation: "Because Babylon goeth up to the heavens, And because it fenceth the high place of its strength, From Me come into it do spoilers, An affirmation of Jehovah."

Here's the Darby Translation: "Though Babylon should mount up to the heavens, and though she should fortify the height of her strength, yet from me shall spoilers come unto her, saith Jehovah."

Here's the American Standard Version: "Though Babylon should mount up to heaven, and though she should fortify the height of her strength, yet from me shall destroyers come unto her, saith Jehovah."

Here's the Hebrew Names Version: "Though Bavel should mount up to the sky, and though she should fortify the height of her strength, yet from me shall destroyers come to her, says the LORD."

Here's the Revised Standard Version: "Though Babylon should mount up to heaven, and though she should fortify her strong height, yet destroyers would come from me upon her, says the LORD."

I'd throw the Vulgate, or the Original Hebrew, or perhaps one of the other translations, but they all say pretty close to the same thing, I'm guessing. And you know what, none of them mention a space program. Nor aviation of any kind. You see only what you want to see. Here's another way of looking at it:

Even if Babylon builds fortifications and ramparts so high that it scrapes the sky, and surrounds her defensive position with armies of great strength, God will see to it that the Chaldeans destroy her.

No air force, no space program, you might call the fortifications a mountain of war , but the operative word in this interperetation is IF. The passage simply states that it doesn't matter how much Babylon prepares, the Chaldeans will still win. That's all. It's purely historical. This is not a prophecy for the modern age. It's a warning to a long dead civilization. Period.

You are far too liberal in your interperetation. If Jeremiah had been told of an aviation or space program, the passage would have mentioned flight. It doesn't. Face it. Your interperetation is a figment of your own paranoid imagination.

That's just one phrase. I could do the same with every phrase you quote, but what would be the point. I'm not going to convince you. No one will. You will remain deluded until your death (hopefully a peaceful one from very old age). You will wait in vain for a thing that will never happen and in the end, you will regret the time you wasted waiting when you could have been living. This is MY prophecy, borne of the experience I gained LIVING in the world and listening to what it had to say to me.

 

When getting down to a fundamental level, I would focus on this: Jeremiah specifically states the "CHALDEAN'S" here... clearly referring to Alexander the Great (who ruled the Chaledean's) and lo and behold, a fulfilled prophesy that Babylon would be destroyed, as technically it was. And this was the Babylon that existed before Chirst! Not America! If you really really want me to pull all the threads together proving that Revelations refers to a country besides America (and consequentially proving Rome is the Babylon), I will, but you better respond, else I'll be mad..... hehe

Personally, I think all the evidence that's been posted has been ignored, blatently, in an attempt that it's forgotten....

If you choose to believe every nuance and phrasing of the Bible as the absolute truth, it will still turn out incorrect; the Bible is full of mistakes. In Jeremiah it was prophesized that no one would ever live in "Babylon" (the kingdom that existed *THEN*) again, and yet, Babylon existed till 250AD, though an insignificant village it was, it still existed as it had from time immemorial... invalidating that prophesy. If it's going to be argued that the Bible is 100% factual, and every last one of it's prophesies are correct, with no mistakes; I can prove it wrong, I guarantee it, 100%.

 

1st, the jews returned to Israel BECAUSE it was written. Many other sites were considered, but Israel was chosen because the ultra orthodox would not accept any other location. I would assume that it would be a pretty safe bet to 'prophesize' that a people who beleive that they have been divinely promised a peice of land would one day return to it.

also, could someone please explain how free will and prophecy are able to coexist?

 

thats pretty much true of any war the US is involved in, UN approval or not...
so whats your point eh? the us actually fights the wars, rather than just sending a few men over for appearences sake... not to be an ass or anything...

 

so babylon is america..? ok then, what personal sea do we have..? the fuck is a mountain of war..? what is canadia(yeah i know i spelled it wrong ) going nuke us or something..? not to mention that would take alot of nukes at the same time to destroy all our cities at once... whatever, dumbass
and about the whole ww3 thing, seems like the entire world is involved in every war nowadays

 

If Revelations deals with the time of Nero, could you tell me when Rome and her cities were destroyed in one hours time? Could you tell me when an army of 200 million men invaded Jerusalem? Could you tell me when something like a great burning mountain fell into the sea and destroyed a third of the ships? Could you tell me when the earthquake hit and leveled all the mountains on earth? Could you tell me when Nero called fire down from heaven in the sight of men. Could you tell me when 144,00 jews went up on Mount Sion and received God's mark in their for heads.

I'm not a prophet God has spoken to me, but it usually was about my family.
If I was a liar I would be makeing up some real stories.

What history have I ignored?

 

Not all prophecies come true.

 

I would be happy to provide you with the historical context surrounding Revealtions, however, what you are asking for are things not necessarily mentioned in that book, they are your interperetations. If you will kindly provide my with the chapter/verse notation for each of your interperetations, I will translate them into their proper historical context. Always glad to be of service.

As to the history you have ignored, aside from the historical context surrounding the books of the Bible, my estimation would be (and this is just a guess) that you have not spent nearly enough time looking at the history of apocalyptic movements in biblical interperetation. I would suggest you look a the Dispensationalists (followers of John Nelson Darby); the historical context of the concept of Manifest Destiny, and the awful things done in it's name; and the pre-and post-millennialist movements (especially the one led by William Miller). There are others, as well, of course (Jim Jones and Charles Manson's groups, for instance - though I'm not comparing you to them by any means). The various apocalyptic movements have had disaterous consequences throughout history, but the movements I mentioned above are the most like the path you have chosen.

In the meantime, if you will provide me with the list of verses relevent to your own interperetations, I will get to work on them.

 

Not the ones in the Bible

 

Every prophecy in the Bible up to this date has come true and there is only a few left.

 

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