World War III?

Again, scientists know how to figure erosion into their calculations, and the land bridge is too small.

The cave of Moses; well:
The region around al-Bad' as well as these caves have been explored, surveyed, photographed and published long before Wyatt, Williams and Cornuke ever visited the area (Musil 1926: 108-116; Philby 1957: 233, 257-262; Parr et. al. 1971: 30-35; plate 12-17). The caves are called "Magha'ir Shu'ayb" (the Caves of Jethro) and are in reality, Nabatean tombs dating to the 1st century AD. They are not Midianite tombs dating to the Late Bronze Age. As for the inscriptions, Musil (1926: 112) found five tombs with them but no mention of Moses, Jethro or Zipporah. Later, a British team of archaeologists resurveyed the tombs and found four inscriptions and published them, again saying nothing about Moses, Jethro or Zipporah (Parr, et. al. 1971: 32, 59). The caves are much later than the time of Moses and have nothing to do with the Exodus narratives.

The "Syrian archeologist" might as well be ficticious. He cannot be found to confirm that he even stated that, and Wyatt and (later) Cornuke both have a long history of lying when it comes to quotes.

Moses is considered a prophet by the Muslim's, in case you didn't know. They would be interested in verifying his history.

 

I just want to say, I'm not going to argue with anymore people about abortion, Bush isn't going to do anything about abortion even tho he's against it..I am glad he did do something about late term abortions tho..I'm still voting for Kerry because I like what he says he is going to do when he is elected president..my opinion, is George W. Bush is a liar, we went over to fight Iraq because of oil..the war is a lie and I will firmly believe this after all the research i have done..Just because Kerry is for womans rights..doesn't mean he agrees with abortion, he doesn't agree with it, but he believes that we should not change the constitution..Bush isn't going to change the constitution..so i dont see what the big fuss is about the abortion issue if nothing is going to be done about it..It's still going to be legal..so, don't try to debate me about abortion when there is nothing else going to be done about it.

 

campbell, just a question, are you pro-life for humans AND animals, or just humans?

 

Okay, the woman had microfiche of them, from what I heard, and the Israel Antiquities Authority may very well own them, but I stand by my statement that the Church controls them. Who controls the I. A. A.? I ask this because I am almost certain it is the church.
You neglected to answer to my statement that not one single Jew was on the twelve person team that interpreted, translated, and then refused for 50 years to release their work. The only person who did, and he did two years after being assigned to do the work, was the only Protestant in the bunch. He was summarily dismissed from the post once he released his translated sections.

 

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That's fine, but has nothing to do with what I posted, that I would estimate half the children born do not end up mirroring their parents political beliefs.
It's called replying to the point you have clicked on. And about common sense, I have this to say: Common sense isn't.

 

No he is not seeing what he wants to see because the Turkish government will not allow him to see anything. Just like Americans are not allowed to see Mount Sinia. No curds there but the answer is always the same. No. Americans are not allowed on the north slop of Ararat and before they used the excuse of curds living there, they said we could not go there because of a Russian Missile base. They always have a lame excuse why no one can check out these sites. The fact is when the early Spanish explorers reached North America, they were startled to discover that the Hopi Indians told a tale that was remarkably similar to the story of Noah's Ark. In fact, no fewer than 200 cultures worldwide tell of the legendary flood upon the earth. In most of the stories the only changes found usually is the name of Noah.
There are actual eye witiness accounts who claim to of actually seen the ark and many of the stories even though seperated by decades describe the same object. In july 1943, Ed Davis, a sergent in the U.S. Army, was stationed in Iran. There he developed a close friendship with some Lur tribesmen who said they knew the location of Noah's Ark, they first took him to their village. There Davis claims he saw items from the Ark; a cage door, latches, a metal hammer, dried beans, shepherd staffs, oil lamps ect. Tribal leader Abas-Abas and his seven sons took Davis on a three-day climb up the northeast side of Mount Ararat. Davis stated he saw two sections of the Ark lying on their sides and a third of a mile apart. He stated the Ark was broken in two. He said the wood of the ark was extremely hard; wooden pegs were used in its construction instead of nails; its large side door opened from the bottom outward and the human quarters consisted of 48 compartments in the middle of the top deck. In 1986, several dozen Ark researchers questioned Davis extensively, and in 1989 he passed a lie detector test. Before davis passed away he reafirmed that his story was true. The discription Davis gave was also confirmed by other eye witnisses who saw the same object.

 

You go from one disproved theory to another. Regarding Ed Davis:
(1) Davis' polygraph test consisted of a total of six questions, one of which showed unusual stress. That question was "Are you lying when you state that no one ever told you about the Ark other than Abbas and the Bible?" (2) Davis claims he saw Ararat from Hamadan, which is 400 miles away. (3) Davis claims his trip to Ararat took about half a day. (4) Davis' story has changed significantly over time--e.g., he now says Kurds, not Lourds, took him to Ararat.

Do you want to try and move on to Vince Will, Chuck Aaron, Charlie McCallen, Shakru Arsent, William Todd, Herb Knee, David Duckworth, Lt. Col. Walter D. Hunter, Rolando Reyna, or even Jimmy Carter next? You do know that there's been an infinite amount of eyewitness reports, photographs even, of Elvis sightings, so I guess he's not dead either, right?

You didn't even bother to read that link above, did you? Or what you quoted either? It's a ground level photograph of what they claim to be Noah's Ark, taken on Mt Ararat! It's shows melted snow exposing the jagged rocks underneath! Look at it!

Also, there have been over 60 expeditions that were allowed by the Turkish government since 1970 alone, with a huge array of scientific tests performed to come up with what? Nothing substantial at all. http://www.noahsarksearch.com/Expeditions.htm

I can see that no matter how overwhelming the proof is I'm going to present, you're going to chalk it up to a conspiracy theory against Christian history, even though it's Muslim history as well. Also, there's flood stories from all around the world, true; but most don't relate an ark and a "Noah" figure. The account in Genesis (as well as the entire book of Genesis) is taken from the Sumerian myths, foremost being the Epic of Gilgamesh, which was written several thousand years before the old testament.

 

The Ground level photo is not the Ark the pictures from space have picked up.
And so you think because one out of six questions shows stress that this means Davis is a Liar. The object Davis saw was confirmed by another who did not know Davis. Both stories matched so I guess they both Guessed right at lieing. And your proof is not overwhelming especally when you consider all of the other eyewitnesses. Which I'm sure you would ignor or call them all liars. Any person who claims to see the Ark must be a liar Right, Just like anyone who has seen Mount Sinia they are all liars. As a matter of fact anyone who sees anything that confirms the bible must be a liar,right.The Ark is on the North Slope and no American is allowed on the North Slope so it really does not matter how much equipment they have. The location of the Ark is (39.703deg.N,44.275deg.E). The Turkish government will not allow them to go there. It's not Christian history, it's Jewish history they don't want the world to see.

 

Campbell, you are doing what you are trying to acuse fulmah of. You don't wan't to see or admit to anything that disproves your precious theories.

 

Just an etiquette point, Campbell, curds are what you eat with whey, the Kurds are the people whose country was portioned out to its neighbours by the West after WWI, leaving them nationless and subject to genocidal actions by all of the nations that benefitted from their nation's dissolution.

The ark story is another one that was 'borrowed' from the Babylonians during the captivity, along with the seven day week and the Garden of Eden stories.
Just so you know that I don't just disagree with you on every point you make, I tend to believe that the mountain in Saudia Arabia is the one from the Bible verses, if there is such a mountain. I don't believe in the idea that half a million people wandered those deserts for 40 years, as there is no evidence of it. There should be tons of it. 500 000 people would leave a big trail.

 

I read earlier that the site you refer to is at 17000 feet elevation. There is not anywhere near enough water on earth to submerge the continents to a depth of 17 000 feet. If you melted every glacier on earth you might be lucky to raise the sea level 400 feet, and that is being very generous. So where did the extra 4000 % volume of water come from? The book "Cataclysm" outlines the horrific extinction level event that occured about 12 000 years ago, and is very well researched and documented. I just learned today that about 6000 BC Mt. Mazama in Oregon (Crater Lake) blew its top and that was a very catastrophic event, which left ash to a depth of 5 inches a thousand miles away.

One of these events is very probably the source of the 200 flood stories you refer to. Sumer also shows an 8 foot deep layer of mud between two civilizations, due to a massive flood event that would have appeared to be world wide to those living there at the time.

 

If I was a betting man, I'd say just humans.

 

Well if they were only theories you might be right, but what we have here is eyewitness accounts. From people in many cases considered very credible. What Fulmah is doing is ignoring these account's and simply stating that everyone is a liar. As you go over the evidence you finally get to the point that there has been to many people recounting the same evidence from different time periods. To dismiss this evidence as nothing but lies is to simplistic and naive for me. From a National Geographic employee, to American military personal, to a radio host of the Voice of America, the list goes on and of numerous people from various time periods all having an incounter on Ararat with the Ark. To simply say that everone of these people are liars is as I said, naive.

 

Well answer me this question. If water never reached that height. How is it that they have found pillar Lava at the 16,000 foot altitude on Mt. Ararat?

 

Thankfully late term abortion's have been stopped for now only because of a Republican president. If everone voted like you, even the late term abortions would still be legal. Thankfully there are enought christians who will fight the good fight. And you don't see what the big fuss is about. That reminds me of an old saying I heard once. "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing" Kerry loves abortion and will keep the murder mills up an running, and all you can think about is oil. Just because kerry is for womans rights, doesent mean he agrees with it. Don't you get it, nobody, nobody has the right to murder a child. This is a pratice that comes right out of the pit of Hell. Do you even have a clue what they are doing to human beings, are you insane, has your heart stopped, they are pulling little babies apart. What is all the fuss about? May God have mercy on you and your soul.
I understand now what the bible means when it states that in the last days the love of many will grow cold.

 

Well you know there are some countries that would allow humans to die of starvation while cows walked by them. Of coarse you would have to be pretty ignorant to let that happen. I myself would eat the cow. So yes I am pro life for humans. I guess you would let your family die, and keep the cow alive.

 

Children born do not mirror ther parents political beliefs? Well that depends on the parents. I think that statement is pretty much untrue especially if you look at the African American vote. Aprox. 90 perecent of African Americans are Democrats. In the last 40 years I see no real change in that voting block so I believe you would be wrong in your statement. I have two kids and I can tell you both are Republicans. My best friend has two kids and they are both republicans, I have another friend in michigan who has three kids and all three of his kids are republicans as well. If you did a study I think this would be pretty much the norm except in families that may be disfuntional. P.S. I make an effort to respond to most post but time sometimes limits my responces.

 

It was always against the law for you to abort past 3 months and i said im not arguing anymore with you because fuckin BUSH ISNT GOING TO stop abortions..so stop putting him up there with God because he is NOT GOD..I want you to look at the people that has been killed and beheaded, and the ones that are still being sacrificed for this FUCKIN war that your damn PRESIDENT persisited on going to for OIL not for God but for OIL..Pray and hope to God that you are right with your hate for democrats because you are biased, and your hateful and vengeful, and I'm sick of it. This war has killed so many innocent people yet you keep bringing up abortion like he is going to do something about it..GET REAL!

 

That is not surprising, they have found seashells on Mt. Everest. At one time, millions of years ago, mountaintops now, were seabeds then.