World is old.

I've been thinking of a kind of paradox for some time now.This is that we are led to believe that the world is constantly in a state of ever increasing newness.That every day is newer and younger.This is because of product being pumped out.Cars,architecture,technology etc.

But when you think about it,the world is actually getting older everyday,it is so old,we are at the end,in a sense,of a very long,old journey.

The days of pre-history were actually newer and younger than the world we live in today.

But then,also,photographs from the 19th century and so on depict a world that looks older than today's shiny culture,and in a way it is old because it is far away from us.But technically the 19th century was a newer and younger age than ours.

Anyone understand?

Sorry my writing skills are not up to much today as I am in a low mood.

Am I the only one interested in this kind of thinking?

 

This leads me to thinking the world is being modelled as in a cosmetic facade,is being consciously designed for some purpose…But what purpose and to what end…How can we re-connect to the past and learn from our mistakes,as a world society?

 

First post: kind of.
Second post: nope.

 

Well haven't you noticed how all cars now look pretty much like they are made by the same company…There are no real stylistic difference anymore? I know aerodynamics play a part in the look of modern car design,but why do they have to look like that.It's a kind of stylistic performative fascism,that exists in the functioning of the human mind system,synchronously expressed through technical resources.I find it all very daunting and frankly scary.

 

I understand what you are saying but yeah, just because our products and designing of our surroundings look newer doesn't make the world newer. Or perhaps in some way it does since everything in the world gets recycled at some time The world is mighty old but it renews itself all the time. How we dress it up does not matter in that regard (to me).

 

There is no paradox.
The world is many hundreds of millions of years old, humans on the other hand have barely even begun with our measly few tens of thousands of years of "human civilization".

 

It is an exciting time, the world (humans) do seem like they have gotten their payment in full with their luxuries. So disconnected from each other and the earth..the time of the end is near, I am hoping I will live to experience it.

 

The end is not near. Ah well, could be wishful thinking because I don't hope to experience it. I'm pretty sure the world keeps on turning for a long time and probably with some humans on it too.

 

I can understand your words. In many ways I agree with them. On the other hand I do not believe that the world is aging at all, in either direction. Human knowledge is aging, nothing more nothing less.

Not just the world but the universe itself is being modeled but the modeling must happen for our universe to be possible.

At least we still have human facts right, man?

 

According to the consensus, we don't even have a measly few tens of thousands of years, but actually just one-ten thousand years (roughly; in fact it's closer to just shy of 12,000 and even this number is generous and a recent extension based on radiocarbon dating of charcoal present within the discovery of sublevels to the peculiar sanctuary site Göbekli Tepe located in Turkey).

I will admit to a belief I have despite being unqualified officially to presume as much, but I get the feeling that human history in terms of civilization stretches back much, much further than we presently acknowledge or have concrete evidence of. I believe that we, a very long time ago, may have existed much as we do now, with people occupying cities and provinces across much of the planet, with a fine understanding of communication and medicine, art and science, and that at some point we were largely cleared out with all evidence left behind ground to dust and swallowed by Allah's Pool during the last ice age, during which time we began anew. This is part of the theories suggested by the likes of Graham Hancock and a few rogue Egyptologists and I tend to suspect that they may possibly be right. Our own past yields as vast and profound a mystery as our future and I think that we should remain humble when considering human history.

 

yes!!

 

You too, Matt?! Awesome!

It's one of my very favorite theories and as with all interesting theories it gets weighted down with all kinds of nonsense, but the core concept is hardly inconceivable and my own experience (admittedly with psilocybin) lead me no alternative but to consider that there is not just the visceral archaism present in the human experience, but that there is also a 'psyche' which reaches way far back there in time..

 

I like those theories as well But I am not convinced at all.

 

Nor should anyone be; but I reiterate the point that to ignore it as a possibility is certainly foolish. I mean by this for example, to point out that any Egyptologist who posits this theory is to be considered a rogue, meanwhile our established history of Egypt's grandest monuments is largely based on Herodotus' reports in his Histories, a book which is considered by many scholars to be mostly, if not entirely, a list of lies. And yet his detailing of the builders of the pyramids is clung to by Egyptologists as if they were their very life breath. Pre-history is always being rewritten as new discoveries are made, and there is absolutely no reason to assume that our present condition began at such and such a date simply because we can only trace back evidence thus far, knowing without any doubt that humanity has endured numerous cataclysmic events not least of which included an ice age.

 

Yes, makes sense to me. And not only prehistory is rewritten, history as well. Different insights lead to different interpretations and as long as we do not abandon the factual knowledge (re)studying historic events and ancient societies from new perspectives in later years seems very useful to me :2thumbsup:

I don't know that without doubt. But humanity has endured an ice age, yes.

 

Yes it is generally accepted now as beyond question; besides an ice age, we have come -very- near to extinction many tens of thousands of years ago, there have been immense droughts, super-volcano eruption and then by evidence discovered only a few years ago, there is now considered to have been a major impact (most likely a comet bursting in the atmosphere) at about 12,000 years ago which abruptly set into effect a global cooling period (thereby prolonging the end of the last ice age) which lasted for over one thousand years, leading to the sudden extinction of many mammalian species. That this historical anomaly occurred is beyond dispute, but that it may have been caused by a comet is a relatively recent discovery of a particular material only present in sediment which had been exposed to high temperatures and pressures, discovered in sediment in various places around the world along with the aforementioned extinct mammalian species.

 

I was actually thinking about all this. I think that young and old aren't necessarily related to chronology etc. Rather, they can be a state of mind.

Science was young in the Victorian era, and yes it was an era at the birth of many things. But they were also very steadfast and conservative in their ways. I think many of their inventors didn't really believe science would change THAT much over time. (Altho people like Tesla were pretty different).
So, compared to us, the Victorian era was quite "old" in its ways.

The 1960s, from what I hear, was very young in its ways. I read an article that said people born in the 1960s are the most miserable group in Britain. Not because they are old, but because they are disappaointed that science never progressed as they were promised. They thought that the year 2000 would be flying cars, personal robots etc etc.

I think its interesting to think how different futures can present themselves like branches on a tree. Most paths end up dead ends over time, and possible futures disappear. When there is only one path, something can feel quite old and set in its ways. When something feels young, its as if there are many different possibilities, each one exciting and stretching out into the distance.
I suppose at some points, an aspect of our future was like that - many possible branches and options. And then it became one ie old, stagnant and lacking its youthfulness in ideas and spirit.

Was that the sort of thing you were thinking about?

 

Same here. :2thumbsup:
Aren't we currently approaching the end of the 5th age or epoch of man?
I believe that is a general consensus held by more than a few religious and cultural traditions/belief systems around the world.

There have also been enough archeological anomalies that would suggest that ours is not the first advent of civilization to have attained to this level of technological advancement we currently enjoy.

Take the Global Deluge. That story exists in just about every ancient culture and has been confirmed with geological evidence.
If you consider the Biblical account, it actually gives the impression of a world that was much, much different then the one that emerged post deluge. It alludes to much greater technological achievements than is commonly assumed. Apocryphal writings also suggest a world much more populated and advanced than the one often depicted in popular culture.

Could that be the last remnant/memory of the prior epoch of man?

 

Ever seen these old Egyptian 'light bulb' hieroglyphics:



Some people are saying these days that they were actually power sources. And not to light up the inside of a pyramid, but to use them as a Star Gate. To escape a looming cataclysm here on Earth.

And the hieroglyphs were made by the indigenous people to describe what they saw upon the return (of the builders of said pyramid) much later.

I'll post more about this later as have no more time right now, maybe by this weekend..

I've only heard of this a few days ago myself, btw.