Women's entitelment and passiveness (waiting for a clear approach from the man)

Guys, I see all kind of men with women: ugly, poor, ignorant, even violent. Look around. Just like with women. There are ugly, poor, thin, fat... whatever.

Reading the posts, I get the impression your problems come from generalizing and giving in to preconceptions and prejudice. There are plenty of women who work and don't need, nor want, your money. There are plenty of women who are also looking for companionship. But if you're always accompanied by so many prejudices about women when you do meet them, of course it won't work.

If I'd look at every new man and project on him every shit I've suffered with men before him, I'd be a lesbian by now. Instead, I give every guy the benefit of the doubt. I don't make him pay somebody else's crime.

All sort of people find partners. If you can't, just consider that the problem may be all this woman-hating attitude. Men and women do shit and hurt people. We aren't any better than you. But don't act with a person you've just met, as if she was guilty for any bad things you've experienced before.

 

OMG I LOVE THIS POST ITS SO TRUE! I find it hard to make a move on women sometimes not at all due to lack of confidence or fear of rejection.. buts it the fear of being labeled the "creeper" where in the future not only can you not talk to her but all her friends...and there friends.. etc have you labeled as a creep.

It sucks but i find it so much easier to just bullshit and make yourself appear as "prince charming" and pull a one night stand. Then actually try to be yourself and appear as "average joe" and hope your nailing her checklist.

Then again im at a wierd age. 21. lots of girls around my age want a guy to take care of them financially.
lots of girls want someone whos still a kid.
lots of girls want someone who they think will marry them and start a family asap.

Oh well. I would like to start a serious relationship. but its just 100x easier to get a girl when you just talk be yourself but lie about anything you think shed possibly not love the answer too.

Wait wait... Honestly now that i think about it i could start relationships with the majority of girls i bring home for one nighters.. however im just not interested dating girls who are that easy..
hypocritical yes.. but i cant help it

 

creeps are basically slang word that was made not too many years ago i don think... and is basically used to make fun of men who are rejected or for woman who are trying to leave hints of rejection and the man isnt picking them up... the women them label him a "creeper" and hes offically cut off from that girl and anyone she tells.

its quite a bitch really.. ive seen A LOT of girls call guys creepers just for looking at them.

well that may work for you. but all my friends go to bars. and i havnt tried strictly social group meeting people.

but bars are just the easiest way to approach women. People go to bars to drink, have fun, and meet people.
Ive met nearly every woman ive ever been involved with in a bar (or party but thats same thing really).

I mean ive seen pretty girls elsewhere of course but how exactly do you approach them...
i feel like when people are out unless its in a place like a bar. there generally on a mission and not looking to meet anybody.
but idk cant say ive creeped the cereal aisle trying to find my soul mate.(oh hi you love frosted flakes too)?!?

 

creeper (n.)
Old English creopera "one who creeps," agent noun from creep (v.). Also see creep (n.). Meaning "lice" is from 1570s; of certain birds from 1660s; of certain plants from 1620s.

 

I like the OP. I sympathize completely. I always either get so uncomfortable or so damned amused whenever a girl sits down besides me at college or whereever and is just obviously trying to get noticed and have me initiate "the chase" because that's how she read guys meet girls in Cosmo magazine. Complete lack of imagination. You can tell they aren't really interested in you; they are interested in you chasing them. They want the chase. They might not even want you that badly. In fact, maybe they have 3 other friends nearby who were all sitting around rating the guys and she decided to feel like such hot stuff and go sit beside you and try and seduce you by nonchalantly playing with her hair in your face while pretending like she's just so darn busy and popular on her phone.

That's why I love internet dating . . . you are there on the premise of meeting people for dating/sex. There is no subterfuge, no games. There is no "i came and sat down right beside you in this empty bar/library/whatever but not to talk to you, because i'm definitely not available, as you can see from how busy i am on my iphone, except that i keep looking at you now and then, because you should really come and chase me, because i want something from you."

I agree that it's completely unfair and stupid that the guy "has to" make the first move on the girl. What are girls afraid of? That we will be deeply impressed by their forthcomingness and honesty? By their open display of intention? It's so transparent that it's insulting. It's insulting because it's a see-through game of cat and mouse that they are sort of slimily forcing you to initiate, and it's insulting because the premise of the game is that THEY are the catch, THEY are what is amazing here, and you are but a potential suitor for her and if she deems you worthy by the grace of god then PERHAPS your cute attempts at a conversation will result in some action for you.

a FOAF is a very attractive girl who guys chase all the time. super body, super flirty and outgoing. well one guy finally chased her down, and married her. well guess what. a year later she's cheated on him and they have separated; he drinks all day in front of the tv and she's out miserable. it turns out she doesn't like sex. take a moment for that to sink in. she doesn't like sex. she only likes the ego boost of being chased. oops. meanwhile this poor guy married a girl who, in public acts like a pornstar, and in the bedroom is a bore. she doesn't give oral. he doesn't give oral. relationship = over. this is the kind of girl who would flirt with you, in front of your girlfriend, while her boyfriend was in the room. just completely shameless and a chase fiend. i think that there is a culture of chase-fiending going on here. it's really unfortunate. guys think they "have game" when they can play the womans chase game and she lets him win. they don't understand that what happened, happened exactly because she wanted it to, the way she wanted it to. i see a lot of guys manipulated by women for their uses until they can find an upgrade. it goes the other way of COURSE, lots of assholes out their who cheat and lie and do anything they need to to have sex with a girl. but the culture of chasing is insulting and shallow.

 

I can give off a vibe if I don't want to be approached, sure. I also often say "hi" if someone interests me, and there isn't a receptiveness that has to happen for it to advance then I give up very fast. One guy in Subway Sandwich Shop stared me down, I stared him down, and we still walked out without saying a word to each other. There's so many different ways, different settings, different life phases, different moods, that determine how things will go. My own desire is to have some good sex along with a mostly upbeat positive "friendship" that has some kind of meaning but not necessarily romance.

 

Cos you brought a footlong meatball sub, he only had a 6 inch with extra sauce so it was soggy and droopy.anyway, made him feel inadequate