Women in Combat

drones will make foot soldiers obsolete in the not to distant future. really nothing to worry about..

 

There is a documentary that perhaps would be of interest to some on here.

The Invisible War.

It deals with sexual assault and rape within the military. You may be safer in foreign territory than at home on a base or training facility. It covers the Tailhook Scandal, Aberdeen Scandal and Air Force Academy Scandal.

Preview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zpj9XoVFoI"]The Invisible War - YouTube

 

Its not co-incidence that the combat rules for women are changing around the same time as reviewing the policy on openly gay servicepersons.

Of course not saying ever female in combat is going to be a butch dyke, but there are going to be a higher proportion in the armed forces than which occurs in the general poulation.

A few mentioned physical requirements needing to be the same, well that is already the case, so especially with ground combat they will have to at least pretty butch.

The only American female to get the Medal of Honor is still Mary Walker, the only female surgeon in the Union (Civil War) Army, would often cross battle lines to perfom her duties, Civil War battles that were particularly nasty, captured by the Confederates spent time in one of there prison camps as a spy......later in life was known for running around in guys clothes including a Lincoln style top hat. Dont ask wy she is running around looking like Lincoln, and she wont tell



But I'm not just coming from the gay angle, someone mentioned Litvyak, a more girly girl, one of the most famous fighter pilots of WWII, 12 kills before she got shot down. And their were 96 women that got their countries biggest military honour in WWII




Women in combat, on the battlefield isnt anything new.

Cherea is right in part, rape or having the enemies babies isnt the worst case scenario, coming home in a body bag is. Talk like that and guys arent going to listen, some other women for that matter, its just going to end up sounding like yet another chance to make men feel guilty about sex.

As is now, as the way it will be, and the way its really always been. Some women will want to go off to combat for some of the same reasons as guys, maybe make a name for themsleves, get a career, maybe even go down in the history books. So men and women alike can read stories about the likes of Walker and Litvyak and exclaim boooh-yah!.

Throughout history there have been females in combat, as in many of the places today. Just becuase the US government now feels the need to stop pretending doesnt mean all of a sudden women will start fighting for the first time.

Even with the US, from the first wars between the settlements leading up to the War of Independance, Mexican War, War of 1812, Civil War, WWI, WWII and all after that. All those nurses, all those in ancillary roles, all those in close to combat roles. All those captured by the enemy - why didnt most of them get raped? Answer that out loud in front of your husband and he wont feel guilty and buy you stuff

 

That's true. I hope I am painting a reasonable picture and It's only fair an unreasonable picture is painted too.

I think the 'fitting in' and 'unit performance' has been answered many years ago. Your concern is valid, but unreasonable, imho.

 

The threat of rape is everywhere. Doesnt matter who you are or where you go.

 

I know. It was a question.

 

There's another aspect to this issue that we haven't considered yet.

A growing minority of politicians seem to be in favor of mandatory military service for all Americans, possibly two years at the end of high school. This is a logical next step, once there is widespread acceptance of women in combat. If put into practice, this would one day lead to a situation in which every able-bodied adult in America will have been through basic military training, which essentially teaches you how to be a trained professional killer.

For a nonviolent, peace-loving person like myself, this is a nightmare scenario, a world that is about as far as it can get from the world I want to live in. Just imagine a future in which every child is raised by a mother who has been indoctrinated with a pragmatic, kill or be killed, battlefield mentality. That would lead to complete and total acceptance of the outrageously pro-war attitude that has made us so hated around the world, and a greater acceptance of violence in general.

Where do we draw the line?

That's definitely a subject that deserves a lot more attention than it's getting.

Your reading comprehension needs a little work. You have no idea what I said.

I think this is a good point. Probably, this will happen in the future, and there will be a very negative public reaction.

 

Perhaps I am reading it wrong but why is mandatory military service the logical next step once female soldiers are widely accepted? I am all for equal rights and women in the frontline if they wanna sign up but of course it should not be mandatory for neither men or women! And I don't see the logical connection either

 

Because in this country, it would be very difficult to build sufficient political support to require two years of service for men only. And with the old limitations on military roles for women, they would have had a hard time finding useful things for so many women to do.

 

So do US servicemen.

Regularly.

They also murder at-will. Pretty much like in that south park episode about hunting by way of self defense.... "NED, IT'S COMING RIGHT FOR US"....

Male prisoners get raped too. Including our prisoners (both domestic, and of war). Some of them, now famously, by females of the US armed forces.

 

Ah right, I understand how you ment it now Hope it is not true! I think your country should just let everyone sign up or perhaps raise the minimum age a few years. When too less people sign up to serve as a soldier perhaps it is time to look at why they are not interested. Either way, mandatory service would be wrong unless you got invaded perhaps

 

Not to mention that women like that are HOT as hell, and it would be a shame not to let them be. In a world where the princess philosophy has so cornered the market, that tomboys are a dying breed.

It's like, Whoa here I have the chance to finally admire women; and the government is not going to let me...as usual. The government goes through every length to make women un-admirable, and be careful they don't do the same with gays.

Starting with this retarded marriage business.

 

Yes, it is obviously not a gender specific thing at all. Pregnancy is, but I too am not convinced this should be the reason to keep women out of the frontline.

 

I think we can agree that we should all be working toward a more peaceful world; one in which a shrinking percentage of people need to learn the details of how to wage war, or to be taught the mentality of following orders to kill.

 

I think the mentality part is the more important part. We can't control other nations so it would seem a tad suicidal to limit our armies to a bare minimum when other powerful and conflicting nations are developing theirs.

 

Would you prefer 'unlikely'?. It is possible but unlikely. I don't really want to get into how paranoid you are about this. I can sense you are looking for reasons for women not to go on the frontline for more reasons than them not being snatched and put into a harem etc etc.

 

Children?

Regularly?

 

Your country has a reasonably small military, sized for self-defense of your country. Ours is not. I'll bet we spend more on our military than your government's entire annual budget. It's gotten out of control here. We've crossed the line into absurdity.

We're trying to be the new British Empire. You know how that turned out for them.

 

During my time in the military I served in units that women were barred from (infantry), as well as units that they were not barred from (intelligence). I think women do not belong in combat arms units and, to be frank, I don't think they belong in certain branches of our military at all. I think females are, largely, physically unfit for service in combat units and, aside from that, including them in combat arms units will hurt their esprit de corps and readiness levels.

 

Correct. That is the meaning of equality.

The worst case scenario? I don't want to say that getting raped (and maybe even getting pregnant during such an ordeal) is not very traumatic but there are many other horrible things that can happen to you during combat.

And what does society have to do with this? It is the female soldiers who need to be prepared for it. Society (as a whole) is never prepared to deal with anything .... It is the individual who is.

Oh now that would be really bad, wouldn't it? Women then would have equal rights AND duties. Now that can't be progress.

Is this what a civilized society does? Apparently yes .... unless you want to count Costa Rica as a non-civilized state.