Will you ever "find god"?

I dont believe the science they put out there is fully true they could fuck with it to make it say what they want. Like global warming and those scientists that were on Al Gore's side making false scientific statements saying it was real and stuff. I'm not saying the planet isnt heating it could be but its not global warming our planet goes through phases and changes just like everything else thats all.

 

Yes you have a point, but figuring out stuff like you have 2 hemispheres of your brain and 4 lobes all responsible for different functioning with different cells, neurons, and neurotransmitters all having functions is an observable and testable thing. Eventhough we don't completely understand all diseases and problems, we can still show things like if you have damage to Broca's Area in the Frontal Lobe people will have resulting problems in speech. That's much more concrete than saying God just decided to make the person have speech problems all of a sudden.

And once again this doesn't necessarily make you an atheist if you see things this way, it's just an observable scientific way to understand this problem.

You are contradicting yourself there. Do you mean that you don't think we are responsible for global warming?

 

what about global dimming? the easier of the two problems to fix, yet if we fix global dimming before global warming we will exacerbate global warming, like, roasty toasty and irreversible. i think that the scientists need to get their shit together and quit feeding us PC crap.

 

This is interesting reading i think.


Does God exist? The DNA code informs, programs a cell's behavior.
All instruction, all teaching, all training comes with intent. Someone who writes an instruction manual does so with purpose. Did you know that in every cell of our bodies there exists a very detailed instruction code, much like a miniature computer program? As you may know, a computer program is made up of ones and zeros, like this: 110010101011000. The way they are arranged tell the computer program what to do. The DNA code in each of our cells is very similar. It's made up of four chemicals that scientists abbreviate as A, T, G, and C. These are arranged in the human cell like this: CGTGTGACTCGCTCCTGAT and so on. There are three billion of these letters in every human cell!!

Well, just like you can program your phone to beep for specific reasons, DNA instructs the cell. DNA is a three-billion-lettered program telling the cell to act in a certain way. It is a full instruction manual.

Why is this so amazing? One has to ask....how did this information program wind up in each human cell? These are not just chemicals. These are chemicals that instruct, that code in a very detailed way exactly how the person's body should develop.

Natural, biological causes are completely lacking as an explanation when programmed information is involved. You cannot find instruction, precise information like this, without someone intentionally constructing it.


I found this here: http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html

 

yeah.. i did kinda make it sound more black and white then i meant to.. even the Vatican has scientists..

 

Yah but here is frustrating part of all this. All this that you just wrote is explained through science. one has to have a certain amount of faith in Science to accept it. So that has been my point, Theists constantly are attacking science or evolution when I don't think those 2 paradigms of God and Science are necessarily exclusive.

 

I can't remember where i heard, or read it, but i sort of remember the words;

When man goes too far into God's design, it will be the end of man.

I think were pretty close now myself :coffee:

 

Really? We haven't even got off this rock we live on. We have not came in contact with any other alien species, let alone the possibility of extra dimensional species. Saying we are even close to understanding or getting too far into God's design, I think is misunderstanding the scope of the universe we live in.

 

I hope you're right. I was just quoting other people. Maybe we do still have a long way to go yet. It would be nice to finally find out that we are not alone in the universe!

 

Well the fact it's estimated there are more stars than grains of sands on all the beaches in the world, I think it's safe to assume. While that analogy/statement probably cannot be presented as scientific fact if you have ever seen pictures taken by some of the telescopes and technology we have, it's pretty remarkable everything we can see.

 

^ Agree.

I have actually gone to a Pagan ceremony recently for the first time and used some of the herbs which my pagan friend sells and I do find it filling alot of the same things Christianity does, with less of an agenda. I don't know if I truly believe in all the Pagan views either, but I feel it's less forceful in a way and the fact that there is a lot of use of herbs and medicines, I find it relating a bit to my use of entheogens and meditation. Somehow the Christian sacrament of wine and cracker doesn't do it for me.

 

Who needs any sort of physical representation of their spiritual feelings? Certainly not I, and that is why I support neither church nor Religion yet find god in every living creature and in every moment of human triumph and failure.

Random fact: it is estimated that if the Vatican donated 1/4 of the artifacts in it's museum alone to the cause of world hunger it would COMPLETELY cure it. That right there is the biggest sign of absolute hypocrisy in the world. The Vatican is the most goddamn materialistic thing on the planet in a guise as a holy place. Why wouldn't the churches just close all physical locations and put all the money that everyone in the church donates to the actual cause of the betterment of other countries. Everyone with access to the internet can participate in online mass or worship of their choice and religion from anywhere on Earth at any time of the day, and then talk to a priest on skype if they need to. And all the money can go to sending huge teams of newly freed up missionaries and priests to countries without available internet to help them regardless of their beliefs as in the end we are all connected and related in this marvelous miracle of a life we are in together.

 

I find myself seriously doubting what i grew up beleiving... I dont think i could go back knowing what i know now

 

What do you believe now thisisme?

 

Rather than finding God once, or having one awakening, I prefer to think God is always there.

The choice to walk with him is on you, so I guess it is more a matter of "coming back to God", so to speak.

 

Raised christian, but now finding it hard to beleive in the whole god thing... The principles for living ones life are valuable and some of the lessons from the bible but the whole heaven hell stuff is a little sketchy

 

I dont know how I am contradicting myself I dont believe in global warming I believe it is a lie that they feed you for control. I also dont believe we arent creating anything.. If the planet is warming why is it snowing in California? It might be gettin warmer up north but colder down south thats just a change the Earth goes through a lot of them. America is the most evironment, animal, and everything else friendly in the whole world I dont think we are creating anything. I mean one lil oil spill thats like a foot we call out a crew pay thousands of tax payer dollars dig a hole 15 foot deep and 15 feet around just to make sure u get this lil 1 foot spill. Load it into a truck and transport it somewhere safe then get more clean dirt to fill in the hole thats a bit over doing it. We are more safe to the planet then the world has ever been with all our programs I highly doubt we are causing enough damage to create any global warming. If anything back when there wasnt these programs and oil refinerys would just spill oil all over the ground everywhere and actually do harm to the evironment I could believe in global warming. Its already proven also the scientists that work for Al Gore got caught emailing saying how the data about global warming was false.

 

the ice age is coming

off topic i know

 

Ill bet she is... come on baby.. come on.. come for me..

 

You contradicted yourself because you said you don't believe global warming is happening followed by the planet could be warming. That's why I asked if you meant that you don't think we are causing the changes, which this post asserts.

One could argue that you are arguing for global warming with the 'it's snowing in California' statement. Global Warming is a little bit of a misnomer, in the sense it's not just as if the Earth is just going to dry up and be hot. The seasons should get more extreme in polarizing directions. It may sound selfish but global warming is not really a topic of interest to me as I don't see there being a dramatic change in my lifetime, so eventhough I saw Al Gore's movie I don't really care to dissect it to pieces or many of the issues surrounding Global Warming.

I will say reusing a grocery bag or watching the amount of power one uses is hardly being 'under control.' There are plenty of people throughout this world without those luxuries.