Will women and men ever be equal?

fritz · May 6, 2006

It's not the same thing though. We weren't fighting to get the joy of killing spiders...We were fighting to have shelters for battered women..To vote..To have choices.
Perhaps you've haven't had any horrible experiences...That's speaks highly for those civil rights activists that fought for our comfort.

strawpuppy · May 6, 2006

we always were and always will be...the awake women always knew that!...the sleeping followers suffered under thier own yokes!

you make your own limitations

fritz · May 6, 2006

How is being denied the right to vote making your own limitations?

strawpuppy · May 6, 2006

Who's behind the president...?

fritz · May 6, 2006

Behind..Dick Chaney...Fuck, are you serious?

http://www.historychannel.com/exhibits/woman/herstory.html

WOMEN NEED NOT PARTICIPATE!

Headquarters of the National Association Opposed too Woman's Suffrage In the early nineteenth century, women were considered second-class citizens whose existence was limited to the interior life of the home and care of the children. Women were considered sub-sets of their husbands, and after marriage they did not have the right to own property, maintain their wages, or sign a contract, much less vote. It was expected that women be obedient wives, never to hold a thought or opinion independent of their husbands. It was considered improper for women to travel alone or to speak in public.

With the belief that intense physical or intellectual activity would be injurious to the delicate female biology and reproductive system, women were taught to refrain from pursuing any serious education. Silently perched in their birdcages, women were considered merely objects of beauty, and were looked upon as intellectually and physically inferior to men. This belief in women's inferiority to men was further reinforced by organized religion which preached strict and well-defined sex roles.

THE SENECA FALLS CONVENTION

Elizabeth Cady StantonThe Women's suffrage movement was formally set into motion in 1848 with the first Women's Rights Convention in Seneca Falls, New York. The catalyst for this gathering was the World Anti-Slavery Convention held in 1840 in London and attended by an American delegation which included a number of women. In attendance were Lucretia Mott and Elizabeth Cady Stanton, who were forced to sit in the galleries as observers because they were women. This poor treatment did not rest well with these women of progressive thoughts, and it was decided that they would hold their own convention to "discuss the social, civil and religious rights of women." Using the Declaration of Independence as a guideline, Stanton presented her Declaration of Principles in her hometown chapel and brought to light women's subordinate status and made recommendations for change.

Resolution 9 requesting the right to vote was perhaps the most important in that it expressed the demand for sexual equality. Subsequent to the Seneca Falls Convention, the demand for the vote became the centerpiece of the women's rights movement.

SUFFRAGE DURING THE CIVIL WAR

During the Civil War, women's suffrage was eclipsed by the war effort and movement for the abolition of slavery. While annual conventions were held on a regular basis, there was much discussion but little action. Activists such as slave-born Sojourner Truth, Elizabeth Stanton, and Susan B. Anthony lectured and petitioned the government for the emancipation of slaves with the belief that, once the war was over, women and slaves alike would be granted the same rights as the white men. At the end of the war, however, the government saw the suffrage of women and that of the Negro as two separate issues and it was decided that the Negro vote could produce the immediate political gain, particularly in the South, that the women's vote could not. Abraham Lincoln declared, "This hour belongs to the negro."

WOMEN UNITE

With the side-stepping of women's rights, women activists became enraged, and the American Equal Rights Association was established by Stanton and her colleagues in 1866 in effort to organize in the fight for women's rights. In 1868, the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment proved an affront to the women's movement, as it defined "citizenship" and "voters" as "male", and raised the question as to whether women were considered citizens of the United States at all. The exclusion of women was further reinforced with the ratification of the Fifteenth Amendment in 1870, which enfranchised black men. In a disagreement over these Amendments, the women's movement split into two factions. In New York, Stanton and Anthony established the radical National Woman Suffrage Association (NWSA). Lucy Stone, Julia Ward Howe, and Henry Blackwell organized the more conservative American Woman Suffrage Association (AWSA) in Boston. These two groups later merged in 1890 to form the National American Woman Suffrage Association (NAWSA) under the leadership of Elizabeth Stanton.

WINNING THE VOTE

Susan B. AnthonySusan B. Anthony was arrested for attempting to vote for Ulysses S. Grant in the 1872 presidential election. Six years later, in 1878, a Woman's Suffrage Amendment was introduced to U.S. Congress. With the formation of numerous groups, such as the Women's Christian Temperence Union (WCTU), the National Council of Jewish Women (NCJW) ,the National Association of Colored Women (NACW) and, the Women's Trade Union League, the women's movement gained a full head of steam during the 1890's and early 1900's. The U.S. involvement in World War I in 1918 slowed down the suffrage campaign as women pitched in for the war effort. However, in 1919, after years of petitioning, picketing, and protest parades, the Nineteenth Amendment was passed by both houses of Congress and in 1920 it became ratified under the presidency of Woodrow Wilson.

Amendment XIX

1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

2. Congress shall have power to enforce this Article by appropriate legislation.

Ratified August 26, 1920

EQUAL RIGHTS AMENDMENT

Upon this victory of the vote, the NAWSA disbanded as an organization, giving birth to the League of Women Voters. The vote was not enough to secure women's equal rights according to Alice Paul, founder of the National Woman's Party (NWP), who moved to take women's rights one step further by proposing the Equal Rights Amendment (E.R.A.) to Congress in 1923. This demand to eliminate discrimination on the basis of gender failed to pass.

The push for the E.R.A. continued on a state-by-state basis, until the newly formed National Organization for Women (NOW) launched a national campaign during the 1960's. Despite many heated debates and protests, the E.R.A. , while passed by Congress in 1972, has never been ratified.
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strawpuppy · May 6, 2006

Wow...appologies, but I'm too pickled to read all that...though I am sure it is well thought out and well intentioned.

It is just that I have my own life experience to draw on, and that of my grandmother, and that of my great, great grandam...then the further I look back in time...I see the links....even into the greek tragedy plays that were the old time soaps of today...and yes...women always had power.
In a time man has forgotten, but that lasted longer than the modern religions that we akanowledge today....God was a woman...

I can recall many women in history................

Seems you really do set your own limits...and I applaud you for awakening women to the fact that they always have had power...

fritz · May 6, 2006

Ok, that was for everybody to read who cares to know about the real deal. It seems they don't teach this history in highschool. Thanks strawpuppy.

strawpuppy · May 6, 2006

luv you too!

liguana · May 6, 2006

strawpuppy said:

It is just that I have my own life experience to draw on, and that of my grandmother, and that of my great, great grandam...then the further I look back in time...I see the links....even into the greek tragedy plays that were the old time soaps of today...and yes...women always had power.

I can recall many women in history................
and I applaud you for awakening women to the fact that they always have had power...
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...and behind every great man is a great woman... yeah tell that to the OP, he thinks the worst of past eras, other cultures and women in general. With men like him even if not a majority of women were oppressed there were some who had no control over their domain whatsoever cos of some domineering men and so women as a whole had to fight for those women who were unfortunate.

Peculiar Girl · May 6, 2006

Alright, I'm blonde and a bit ditsy...would someone PLEASE explain what womens' voting rights have to do with modern-day equality?

I didn't realize womens' voting rights were a modern issue, lol...I mean, jeez it's been about a gazillion years since women weren't allowed to vote! I'm not sure why we're even talking about something that was taken care of ages ago.

crummyrummy · May 6, 2006

women vote. and. what you want shit handed to you? I dont care if you feel equal, I care if you ARE equal. If cannot live up to equality, then shut up. If you can than I welcome you as my equal, shit sucks, and you have to work hard. First time you pull that I am A Woman shit all respect goes down the drain.

fritz · May 6, 2006

crummyrummy, who are you telling off?

Peculiar Girl, nobody called you blonde and ditzy?

I am really not understanding the hostility.

fritz · May 6, 2006

So, nobody sees the relevance of what the civil rights, & womans movement have done for them...
You do not think that there is any possibility that society can backslide? Not even with some of the latest news?

fritz · May 6, 2006

women were considered second-class citizens whose existence was limited to the interior life of the home and care of the children. Women were considered sub-sets of their husbands, and after marriage they did not have the right to own property, maintain their wages, or sign a contract, much less vote.
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Well, it's a good thing I've worked hard, have decent credit. I'm glad this movement has backed us working, owning property, maintaining wages for busting your ass is nice too.

fritz · May 6, 2006

Originally posted by Peculiar Girl
I mean, jeez it's been about a gazillion years since women weren't allowed to vote! I'm not sure why we're even talking about something that was taken care of ages ago.
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Amendment XIX

1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.

2. Congress shall have power to enforce this Article by appropriate legislation.

Ratified August 26, 1920

The push for the E.R.A. continued on a state-by-state basis, until the newly formed National Organization for Women (NOW) launched a national campaign during the 1960's. Despite many heated debates and protests, the E.R.A. , while passed by Congress in 1972, has never been ratified.
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1972.....34 years ago.

Peculiar Girl · May 6, 2006

My mom was like 7 when that happened...it's said and done with. Women vote. Why are we still discussing like it's a current issue? I'm not trying to be a pain in the butt, I'm just trying to understand why voting rights is even being discussed, since it's an ancient issue that's already been taken care of.

Peculiar Girl · May 6, 2006

fritz said:

crummyrummy, who are you telling off?

Peculiar Girl, nobody called you blonde and ditzy?

I am really not understanding the hostility.
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I'm not hostile...just confused. I called myself blonde and ditzy because it's true and that's probably why I'm confused, lol!

fritz · May 6, 2006

34 Years is not ancient. Curious, why are you against it? Do you really believe that it's a non issue? Take a look at womens' rights globally. Take a close look at the creeping theocracy. There are still others having issues, even if you aren't.
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
I've had some bullshit go down in my day. I don't hate men. I work hard too.
Anyways, thanks for not being hostile.

Megara · May 6, 2006

its 86...2006-1920= 86 years.

the ERA has never been ratified. I dont know why you are picking 1972 as the year for when women could vote. Women gained the vote in 1920....

edit: i think what the others are getting at is...when we talk about equality TODAY, why is the topic of voting brought up?

Peculiar Girl · May 6, 2006

fritz said:

34 Years is not ancient. Curious, why are you against it? Do you really believe that it's a non issue? Take a look at womens' rights globally. Take a close look at the creeping theocracy. There are still others having issues, even if you aren't.
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
I've had some bullshit go down in my day. I don't hate men. I work hard too.
Anyways, thanks for not being hostile.
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LIke I said, I'm just confused.

Let me make an analogy.

If you started talking about freeing black slaves, I'd look at you funny because it's already been done! And a long time ago! So why are we still discussing it?

See what I mean? And yeah, women's voting rights is an ANCIENT issue. We've been voting for 86 years. Isn't there a more recent topic we can discuss? Something that's actually pertinent to the year 2006?

Women should vote. We've been voting since 1920. No point in talking about it anymore, lol

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