Will we impeach him this time?

Lolz, those controlling "the right"

The whole "right"

Could that possibly be a simplistic viewpoint that relies on lefties willfully ignorant enough to accept?

 

Buckle up, as this is going to be a long post. And if you suffer from TDS, I would suggest you pass it by. You aren't going to believe Trump has done anything right and will never understand why those of us who avidly support him do. And reading this will just be wasting your time.

Those of us who are passionate about Donald J Trump are passionate for a reason. We saw where our country was headed, and we are eternally grateful he stepped up to lead the flight. We saw big business, big government, career politicians, big banks and lobbyists making decisions that led to their ongoing power and enriching their pockets. We saw the government becoming more and more intrusive into the lives of US citizens. We saw other countries time and time again taking the money we gave them and then not supporting us as an ally. We saw our young men and women come home in body bags and maimed both physically and mentally from wars we had no damn reason being in...but were in because the groups above I just mentioned benefited financially from it.

I am a military brat who bounced from base to base. In our family, every branch of the service is represented with the exception of the US Coast Guard. I have lived on military bases, I have lived in the country, in small towns and in one of the biggest cities in the US. I am a small business owner who has had the opportunity to deal with issues concerning small business, but have also been in meetings with brass from major companies. I have sat in legislators' offices and pleaded our case. I have been all over the world and seen some of the most amazing and modern cities as well as some of the poorest areas. I am 60 years old. And I say all of that to say this. I have learned a lot over the years. I have seen a lot. I have changed my opinion on many things, and have come to agree with some of my liberal friends on some things. And I thoroughly researched the Republican candidates before wholeheartedly settling on Trump. I don't consider myself a Republican, but I certainly am not a Democrat.

I chose Trump for a number of reasons, which I won't go into except for this one.... that he was not a career politician, but a successful businessman. (And before you say he bankrupted...yes, he has...all were Chapter 11...and it's happened to many successful people. And the number 2 argument I hear is he was given $1 million by his father. And I think that is true...which he parlayed into several billion).

He is certainly flamboyant. His tweets are like none other. And he can be crude. And two points I will make about that. #1 He is the master at manipulating the media. When he says something off the wall on twitter, it's a "look at this briiiight and shiny object" while he is accomplishing something of substance. #2 Check me out on this second one. He never starts a fight. He retaliates. And you may not like it, but it is effective. He is a blue collar billionaire and a street fighter. And this being a mealy mouthed, Gentleman crap Conservatives have long been noted for has not worked in Washington politics. He has taken Saul Alinsky's method, so effectively used by Democrats in the past, and turned it right back on them. Does he have a spotless history in his personal life. No, but which of us does? And we didn't hire a preacher. We hired a street fighter to clean out the swamp. As to his "exaggerations", read The Art of the Deal. It explains his method.

There are no first hand witnesses to this witch hunt, with the possible exception of the alleged whistleblower. And Trump released the actual telephone transcript! All you have are "witnesses" giving 2nd, 3rd, or 4th hand testimony...aka hearsay. And some even went so far as to say it was their assumption not anything they knew for a fact. Trump was not allowed his attorney present nor were Republicans allowed to call any witnesses until the very end and then who they called had to be approved by Democratic leadership. Zelensky himself...not once, but twice...said there was no quid pro quo. Seriously, if the guy who is supposedly targeted for quid pro quo didn't know it was.....

There are no High Crimes and Misdemeanors worthy of Impeachment. In the same way, there were no High Crimes and Misdemeanors in the Republican's effort to oust Clinton. Both parties used/are using Impeachment as a way to get rid of a popular President they simply don't like or agree with and know they can't beat.

Some of Trump's accomplishments:

Almost 4 million jobs created

Bringing back jobs from overseas…Created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs

Signed prison reform (allowing the horrific over-incarceration of blacks…due to Clinton's 3 strike law...to finally begin to be corrected)

More Americans are now employed than ever recorded

Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded

Black unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded

400% increase in black small business ownership over Obamas years

Hispanic unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded

Asian unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded

Women’s unemployment is the lowest rate in 65 years

Eliminating 22 regulations for every 1 enacted

Signed Right-To-Try legislation

I listed these as ones we all benefit from...and didn't include ones that I and other conservatives see as important.

As a woman, I appreciate that in his business, he had more women in management than men, and they were paid more. That he was the first builder to use a woman to oversee a major construction project in NYC. His Campaign Manager....woman. Press Secretary....woman. Ambassadors to UN....both women.

And if it doesn't thoroughly piss you off what the Democrats have done to the black community and black family, you are either uninformed or simply don't care about this demographic. And that is why there is a 35% approval for Trump among blacks (3 polls came out within days of one another with the same number). The rise of conservative young blacks is astounding. They are called every racist name in the book by liberals, but they hold their ground. They see what Trump has done for their community, as opposed to Democrats using them for their vote and never changing a damn thing to improve their lives. I've seen polls showing a 40% hispanic approval rating. I believe Trump wins in a bigger landslide than in 2016.

Of course, now you are all whining about the popular vote. That's not how this country was founded. In fact, the Electoral College was one of the main reasons the founding fathers were able to get the colonies to come together as one nation. It was a sticking point for smaller and rural states. They saw that their votes could be washed out by a few large cities. Clinton surely understood about the Electoral College. She choose not to go to the states she needed to go to in order to win the electoral votes. Trump didn't go after the popular vote, because that's not how it works to win a Presidential election. Had it been based on popular vote, he would have had an entirely different campaign plan.

And as a Trump supporter, we have to worry about our cars being keyed or having eggs thrown at us or in the really liberal areas, being beaten with ball bats (of course they always pick one lone supporter and gang up on him/her) or being called racist and Hitler and white supremacist. And yes, I know this is real, because when my husband and I went to the Inauguration, he had acid thrown on his coat by some punk.

I know this has been a complete waste of my time. I know I won't change anyone's mind...or likely not give anyone pause to rethink their hatred of this man. But he could be living a life of luxury. Instead he has seen his net worth, decrease because he no longer focuses on his business, nor does he take a Presidential salary. And he is ridiculed and lied about, but fights for this country and her citizens every single day. So yes, I am passionate about my stand for him. And if you want to go so far as to say many of us feel a great love for him and what he has given up for us, feel free. Call me a deplorable, call me a cultist, hell, call me a racist. You don't know me. You don't know my life. You don't know my heart. All you know is that I support someone you hate, and for you, that makes me and those like me evil. But, then, that's on you.

 

Let's go bowling.

 

Multiple citations needed

 

And one more item that I just became aware from an economist on CNBC....

There are 2.4 million more people with jobs this Christmas than last year. That's $500 BILLION (with a B) in new wages that people have over last year.

So, yeah, let's impeach the guy that has course corrected our economy.

 

Your argument seems to be "yo, if you broke the law, but created jobs (tho no one has provided proof that Trump himself created these jobs) then you shouldn't be prosecuted." Is that accurate?

 

No, it's not. But thanks for playing, try again.

I don't believe he broke any laws....I sure as hell don't believe High Crimes and Misdemeanors. But, see, that's exactly what so many of you do. You pick out one point and completely disregard the book I wrote one post beforehand.

 

Growing at a slower rate than in 2016 under Obams, Trump hasn't done anything for the economy but cut taxes while increasing spending.

 

Where did you get that information? The unemployment rate is at 3.5% which is the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years.

 

I'm saying that despite the fact that the economy is the biggest factor for many voters, it's based on superstition, and thanking or blaming a president for the economy is as logical as blaming them for the weather.

 

Playing? Trying?

I'm sorry, what is it you think I'm trying to play? I'm just asking to get you to clarify your post. I asked for multiple citations and got zero. What is it in your mind I'm trying and playing? Specifically?

Anyway...since you're not (your own admission) saying creating jobs (once again proof that Trump has created these jobs is non existent) means someone should be exonerated for crimes, I need you to clarify this statement

Since then you've claimed he's not guilty. Seems to me someone who believes Trump is innocent would open with that. Not with "he's created a bunch of jobs (I mean, has he tho?) so he shouldn't be impeached." I'm just asking you to clarify your statement. Sorry that inconveniences you so

 

Maybe I should have done a better job of explaining my point. My point goes back to the topic of the thread. The Democrats are trying to impeach for the same reason the Republicans impeached Clinton. Both popular presidents, and the economy was booming.

(Now, to your point about a President getting thanks or blame for an economy, I will give some to your that. However, when regulations are being slashed as they have been, and businesses have more confidence...as well as the manufacturing jobs coming back into the country due to Trump's leadership, he does get some credit...if you are being fair and rational).

Anyway, back to the topic of the thread...the Democrats can't beat him based on the number of jobs and the good economy. They know that...so they are going for the Hail Mary pass, Impeachment.

 

You're saying all the jobs created in the past year paid over $200 grand?

 

Sigh....

It's frustrating to have to do the research on other peoples claims

Jobs: Trump has fallen short of goal to turbocharge job growth

Trump Has Created 1.5 Million Fewer Jobs Than Obama

Which President Created the Most Jobs?

 

I warned you in my first paragraph, if you have TDS, you shouldn't have wasted your time reading my post. I will never convince you...and you will never convince me.

And...you don't think I believe he is innocent...simply because I didn't put it in the order of the post you think I should have? Good grief....

 

No, I WANT to be convinced. But 3 years deep into Trump's presidency he, his administration, and his supporters have failed to convince me. I asked multiple times to provide sources to back up your claims. You failed to do so. I provided sources that disproved your claims and you ignored that. Dog, the problem isn't me choosing to not change my mind.

I'm asking you to change my mind and you're failing spectacularly and responding with "I can't change your mind"

Guess you're right about that

#YangGang

 

Figures lie and Liars figure. I don't have the time right now to dig through your articles...but I will.

But somewhere in those articles are half truths. Because you know as well as I do the country is doing better financially, unemployment is at a historic low, and people have more money in their pockets. I'll just have to take the time to dig through the articles. And it's a Friday night...and I have plans that don't include arguing on a message board. : )

 

Sources= Fox News and Trump's twitter feed

 

Oh ok