Will Trump Supporters Listen To The Warnings?

"Many people"? I see Trump is rubbing off !
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/09/politics/donald-trump-conspiracy-many-people-are-saying/index.html
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/08/many-people-are-saying-donald-trump-donated-to-nambla.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-many-people-are-saying_us_57a95219e4b06adc11f14357

 

OMG, help......are we still with this line of reasoning,....Obama this...Clinton that,.......forevermore.....meanwhile.....we have SOS DANGER in the white house NOW!

 

if you want to call someone a liar maybe start with facts to the contrary. I am not running I have been here for 5 years.

 

I've thought about this a bit

But really, simply put, i do think you can choose sides, draw a line in the sand, and still be fair. To be fair is to examine the entire picture and then make an assessment. Sometimes the conclusion of the assessmemt will favor one side of the picture over the other, but if you've examined the details of the entire picture then you've given it a fair judgement.

Speaking more personally, i'm not sure exactly how penguin intended his comment because i've been pretty clear about my judgement of Trump - but I do consider the big picture in all things, i like to connect the past with the present, no event is ever an island in my mind, I always try to connect the dots. While some may only consider what Trump is doing in the present time, i like to consider everything that has led us to this point and have no problem handing out blame to the Democrat party as well as the Republican party, mainstream media as well as right wing pundits and sites like Breitbart. While some may consider what happened in Yemen within the last couple of days as another Trump mistake, I consider how the Obama administration sold arms to the Saudis and then sent our military to aid them in killing innocent people in Yemen and I also consider how the media turned a blind eye to this but now wants to report on it since Trump is commander in Chief now. Edit: when I reread this i realized it made me sound like i dont consider Trump's blunder in Yemen at all, which isnt the case, i just wish it was common knowledge that we've had a presence in Yemenn for a while..but thats besides the point anyways.

Too many uses of the word " I" there, i dont of course mean to insinuate that anyone else here doesnt also look at the big picture.

But i think maybe this is how pen intended his comment, i'm sure he's noticed i've taken against Trump pretty strongly.

 

But more on topic, the one good thing I see coming out of the Trump administration is he's awoken a sleeping giant

And my biggest fear is that when he's no longer president the giant will go back to sleep and America will continue to be controlled by the wealthy and work for the wealthy, instead of controlled by the people to work for the people.

I hope americans continue participating in their democracy even after the current rallying force is gone.

 

Trump is the result of awakening a sleeping giant. Consider how long "flyover country" has been scoffed and jeered by the political class. On a purely shallow level people want to be appreciated. Ignoring all those "rural" states and the people in them is something both sides have done for years. Trump did the opposite and flew all over the country visiting multiple states per day in some cases. Hillary seemed to be avoiding her campaign and didn't hold press events for weeks at a time. To many this seemed like arrogance, something she has shown before.

We have to look down the middle of this and ignore party politics to consider how a candidate reaches the greatest number of voters. Regardless of their messages, the candidates who actually see the people seem to do better these days. In the time before all they had to do was show up on TV both live and in slick campaign ads. Today it seems more Americans want to know that a candidate will get off their ass and meet with them or their contemporaries.

I understand the need to alienate and ridicule candidates in front of the masses, but I think it's a mistake to attempt a campaign that mocks one facet of the American population while elevating another. Romney's "binders full of women" and "47 percent" remarks were ultimately the kiss of death for his campaign. Hillary's "basket of deplorables" was equally damaging. The margin was so narrow that all we have now is a divided electorate. Wouldn't we hope to find a president who can mend these divisions as opposed to feeding them?

We'll have to wait a few more years it seems. One thing I am sure of though is that we don't need another polarizing, "my people" sort of president. The next one needs to appeal to ALL Americans and leave none of them out.

 

Nope. Trump supporters are so brainwashed that the shit can be raining down on them and they'll be like "Thank God we have a president who's really DOING something." Which is probably exactly what will happen when he starts WWIII.

 

I agree about leaving no one out, I think it is impossible for the next president to appeal to everyone. If such a person is qualified and reasonable etc. etc. and trying to be there for every kind of citizen they still will not appeal to everyone Without it being on that president themselves. That's why our countries have a democracy, if you can't appeal to everyone you better appeal to the majority.

 

Wait till the Republicans go after their Medicare and Social Security!

 

GW tried and failed. As the country ages it will be more and more difficult to find support for the schemes they come up with the undermine the promises that were made so long ago.

 

With Republicans in control of both houses of Congress and the White House, not to mention (soon) the Supreme Court, and Paul Ryan leading the House, this will be their golden opportunity and a temptation hard to resist. If they take the bait, and step onto what's been called the "Third Rail" of American politics, I think they'll experience a meltdown.

 

Perhaps, but Obama had similar control in the beginning as well. Cash for Clunkers got through readily, but the ACA was hampered not only by republicans, predictably, but also by many democrats who had to be literally bribed (Mary K Landrieu). By the midterm elections republican stonewalling had galvanized. Trump has fewer "friends" in Washington than Obama had.

 

Indeed democrats can be counted on to pull together for elections. But afterward they fall back to their feudal kingdoms and the infighting ensues. Obama had to grant Louisiana $300M for some kind of BS before they signed off on the ACA and Nancy insisted it be passed before anyone got to read it, which was a disaster for Obama's "transparency" promise. It's almost as if they wanted to punish him for beating Hillary (she was more qualified).

 

Trump and the Tea Party would beg to differ, conservatives merely favor a pecking order in which the squeaky wheel gets the grease, but also ensures they can become divided as happened with Trump winning the election against the will of the republican party leaders. The rest will try to follow his lead, but he's a loose cannon on deck the party leaders would love to flush down the toilet. That's how he got elected, is because the party is seriously divided and the tail is wagging the dog. Democrats have yet to catch on, its Professional Wrestling slapstick and all too predictable which is the conservative weakness.

 

Don't they all try to reach out to the "ignorant masses"? That's the sort of pandering that George Wallace made famous. But times have changed and we have far more Americans graduating from high school than we had in the 20th century and even more who go on to college.

I have to call anyone who sees a billionaire as a "complete idiot" into question. Seriously, it's very difficult to generate that kind of wealth even if you start well above most Americans. It's even harder to maintain. Asd for demonizing the Clintons, count me in. I remember well how Bill seduced America's youth with his sax on Arsenio Hall and then that clever "I didn't inhale" bullshit only to have his administration ramp up simple possession arrests. Even medical marijuana made greater advances under GW of all people than under Clinton.

Just think about all the people you know who have been busted in the US for pot over the last 2 decades and the fact that Obama chose to do NOTHING. I'm quite disappointed in the democrats for shirking their responsibility on this matter and literally siding with conservatives. Why is that?

 

Trump is a streetwise grifter, who like any good con man used bravado, chutzpah, liberal bankruptcy and tax laws, smoke and mirrors to build on the million or so his rich dad gave him. That may be a certain kind of intelligence, but what it isn't is moral or ethical behavior. Hitler also had a certain animal genius, but ultimately proved to be a disaster. "In business and as a candidate, he used controlled chaos to keep his rivals off balance and appears to be taking a similar approach to governing." https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trump-throws-washington-state-anxious-170846128.html Trump seems to have something definitely wrong with him. His wee hour tweets, erratic orders, and readiness to be distracted remind me ever so much of some of my friends who have ADHD. The narcissism seems obvious to anyone but a True Believer. The only mystery is what's the matter with the people who continue to defend him? Step back, put thoughts of Obama, Hillary, and Democrats out of your mind, and take a close look at the man we've elected. How likely is this to turn out well?