Will Trump Supporters Listen To The Warnings?

BAM !!

 

How many of these degrees are in liberal arts or history or any other jobs that might have no marketability in the real world.

 

Management and banking are now the most common because the money is literally doing all the driving when you can import all the computer programmers, engineers, and whatnot that you want. Medicine is popular as well accounting for 20% of the US economy, however, people are going into specialties rather than becoming general practitioners because even a good doctor can't make any money these days!

 

Awesome! I didn't expect anyone had heard of it. But what is Eye of the Storm? I tried youtube but the results were mostly music.

 

It's truly scary to me see my fellow Americans falling for this. This is not a difference of politcal opinion. This is getting to the point of the Nazis that I only read about in books. Of course the Trump voter will fly off the rails if I make this analogy. But this list checks out.

 

The Eye of the Storm was an odd study in prejudice conducted by a grade school teacher. She divided the class by eye color since they were all midwestern white kids. On the first day she explained to the class that the children with blue eyes were superior and the children with brown eyes were inferior and gave a list of why (things like blue eyes made them smarter etc). The tension was almost instant.

The next day the teacher reversed her claim under the guise of being mistaken the day before. Suddenly the brown eye'd kids were superior and the ones with blue eyes were to be lamented. The payback that ensued even escalated into fights. It was actually kind of heartbreaking to watch because all of these children used to be friends, now they were at each other's throats simply because somebody told them to be. It was all artificial, but it became painfully real.

It was a really telling example of how easily people can be driven to hatred by others who focus on differences, even differences that don't actually matter one bit. When I see these hostile mobs raising hell across the country, I think of Jane Elliott's experiment. It's well worth watching.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Elliott
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo4JfbEZACU

 

Little of this is early at all. Most of it is implemented well after fascists have taken control. And election fraud is as old as elections, not specifically tied to fascism. Some of the tests for these claims we see in the media are dubious. If Trump says the sky is blue, then David Duke says the sky is blue, Trump clearly supports the opinion of a white supremacist, so he MUST be a white supremacist. I think we should all take a step back and examine these issues with more depth.

 

These same "early signs" are things people pointed out twenty years ago and dragging out this tired old warning list now just because Trump is in office is actually a day late and dollar short.

Fascism is merely an authoritarian right wing government and to claim that the US is now a fascist military state is not an exaggeration. Our constitutional rights have been suspended indefinitely, the entire voting system has been gerrymandered to death, every cop in the country is now using warrantless wire taps and searches, the Pentagon has been selling military equipment to police departments all over the country at cut rate prices, the NSA is routinely reading the emails of 1/3 of the population, and Trump has merely taken the madness to its extreme logical conclusion by banning Muslims, starting trade wars, and building a wall to keep the Mexicans out and threatening to cut off federal funding to anyone who refuses to arrest illegal aliens.

Many have been claiming for the last twenty years that there simply are no left wing politics in America today and your only choice is too choose between a more or less extreme right wing government. The fact that the Tea Party and now Trump have become the tail wagging the dog is thanks to both the republican and democratic parties providing them with the perfect opportunity. During the Obama administration the number of hate groups in the country skyrocketed with the KKK adding 42% more new chapters last year alone for a total now close to a thousand. Americans can continue to stick their fucking heads in the sand and pretend they still have a functional democracy or they can own up to what they have allowed and encouraged to happen. Me, I've seen all good people turn their heads each day and learned to run the other way.

 

Pen, Gas and the other one

Come on lads this is disingenuous at best….you know we have been through the whole guns against the state thing a thousand times in hundreds of gun issue threads.

Ok here is the short criticism.

Over the years several pro-gun people have implied that the Jews would have been safe and the holocaust may never have happened if the Jews had just been armed.

The problem is that the German people had been taught the Jews were dangerous. So what if some of them had fired on the police that had come to take them away, do you think the German people would have seen this as a justified reaction and come to their defence or just seen it as proof the Jews were indeed dangerous and needed taking care of?

Think about US history, did the Native Americans that fought back against the treaty breaking US government get the support of the American citizenry? What if the US citizens of Japanese decent had resisted the unconstitutional internment imposed on them after Pearl Harbour and had shot at the police; do you think they would have got general and popular support? What about those hauled in front of McCarthy or the un-American committees, would Americans have rallied to them if they had refused to go before such witch hunts and opened fire on those that came to take them?

Here is the long version –

http://www.hipforums.com/forum/topic/237657-can-guns-save-you-from-suppression/?p=3394660

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Anyway if you want to go over this again I’m happy to do so - in one of the Gun issue threads not here.

 

Literally Hitler, you guise!

 

Google 'Trump supporters being assaulted' and tell me who the 'fascists' are again...?

 

I just wanted to add to this - I think a lot of people equate fascism with the holocaust, but genocide doesnt always occur with fascism. So while yes, it may be hyperbolic to compare Trump with Hitler, i dont think it is hyperbolic at all to watch for the warning signs of fascist, totalitarian tendencies

 

I’m not trying to imply Trump is Hitler or his team are Nazis.

For a start the National Socialist were very much into regulating and central planning the Trump lot seem more like National Neoliberals wanting to deregulate and I’m not sure they have coherent plan yet.

But while the underlying ideological principle might be very different many of the buttons that the Nazis used to attract people are being pushed by the Trumps team.

Talk of the US ‘regaining’ power from international organisations and being ‘free’ once again.

Been against immigration and blaming immigrants for talking away ‘American jobs’ lowing educational standards and increases in taxation.

Talk of ‘conspiracies’ undermining the ‘American’ way of life.

Claim that the present system is corrupt and only they can clean it up

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Then there is the scapegoating, how the two seem to blame the problems of their society on either external powers or internal ‘traitors’
How they appeal to the elite’s and further their interests while simultaneously claiming to be looking after the interests of the common people against those same elite’s.
Nazis propaganda was about bringing back past glory of the Teutonic races of the once proud power of the German volk that never really existed. Trump seems to talk a lot about the past of when America was ‘great’ and how he will bring back that glory.


It’s a heady mix that people can get drunk on its just that as the Germans found out if you take too much the hangovers a bitch.

 

The rule of law simply no longer applies when Obama could not even get a judicial nominee for the supreme court into office and the billionaire mayor of NYC can get away with arresting 26 reporters in one day. The money and the guns are doing all the talking worth listening to and the extreme right wing is much more willing to use the gun, even routinely threatening to bankrupt their own government.

Trump now has not only the power to declare war, but the legal authority to torture and kill anyone he wants without ever having to inform congress, much less, anyone else. All it would take is for the economy to slide down the toilet and the US would welcome their own version of Hitler with open arms. The idea we are above genocide is laughable considered we committed genocide against Native Americans and stole 1/3 of the country from Mexico claiming it was our "Manifest Destiny", however, I will admit that genocide is unlikely at this point. Its everything else just short of genocide that worries me.

 

If you really want a reply can you do me a favor and send the link in a private message.
Otherwise I will never get back to this. I would do it myself but my phone is limited in what it can do.

 

Fuck...Mel. I finally read a post that is well thought out and not emotionally written and I see it is you... the only person I have seen on this site (besides the loonies) that dosnt clearly take one side or the other.

Just upset because I thought there was more of us...guess not.

 

Trump ran because he saw that his own way of living was changing in ways he didn't like. Like most of the greed-driven class he pushed the limits of offshoring what he could, but he's not really much of a product maker. For decades he was more cozy with the democrats than the republicans, but both sides were playing essentially the same games with the economy back then. Obama changed a great deal of that and Trump saw his own fortune coming under fire. Otherwise I doubt he would have bothered going into politics at all.

The only way to win the top seat was to defeat both parties. He joined the republicans because they would be easier to defeat from the inside than democrats. His methodology was almost a direct rip from the WW2 movie "Away All Boats". In the film the captain of a troop carrier has to whip his crew into shape as quickly as possible. In order to unify them, he forces them to turn their hostility toward a common foe, himself. One of the more outrageous things he does beyond the endless drills and maintenance is order the crew to build him a gaudy sailboat. The strategy is ultimately successful in unifying the crew to their purpose, but the captain remains hated.

The republicans fell for it. Hook, line sinker, fisherman and boots. Even that Topo Gigio looking worm Paul Ryan eventually started pulling for Trump. It was weird to watch the whole Svengali affair unfold. But he managed to pull it off and win (or buy) the nomination. If he had gone to the democrats first and attempted to dismantle the vaunted Clinton Machine from the inside, he would have hit a wall fast. Going after the republicans first only made sense for a guy who was already adept at dismantling corporations and discarding employees. He was more prolific at this than Romney, but the comparison was never called out. Probably because Trump's leading message was about jobs, the perfect smokescreen.

Trump is a hard line corporatist and corporations in the US are run like feudal kingdoms, even with SOx controls and SEC mandates. This is why I think people trying to attach fascism to Trump are woefully off the mark. Instead of childishly associating him with Hitler and the KKK, it makes more sense to see his alignment with the real assholes that "made American great". People like Henry Ford, Edison, JP Morgan, Dupont, Rockefeller and of course Carnegie. I have to tip the hat to Crassus as well, but he was a long long time ago.

The nation is morphing into a massive corporation and once it's going the way he likes it, the personnel cuts will start. America's HR department will be brutal and most of us will have to put 2 or 3 irons in the fire just to make a living. Much like folks I met in Argentina keep going. Those of us going gray will have a really tough time. There can only be so many Wal-Mart greeters.

 

Trump isn't promoting "corporatism", but entrenched wealth verse the information age. Congress has become increasingly divided between republicans representing entrenched wealth and democrats representing new wealth. Its the civil war all over again with the high tech industrialists and bankers going after the farmers or, in Trump's case, a real estate mogul. Conservatives push conservatism because their money is invested in old technology and banking.

For example, one of the looming threats to Trump's empire are flying cars which at least a dozen different companies around the world are rushing to develop. Most of them are currently attempting to produce what are essentially flying drones that carry one or two passengers and are used as just a taxi for getting around places like NYC where a ground taxi can take up to four hours to get into the city during rush hour. However, a more futuristic version is the Molar M400 which has vertical take-off and landing, its own parachute in case all four engines fail, carries four passengers and a little luggage, does 350 mph, can fill up at any gas station, and cross the entire US with only two stops for fuel. When mass produced such vehicles could easily cost about the same price as a luxury car and means someone living in West Virginia could commute to D.C. in half an hour. Such technology would totally change the real estate market making Trump Towers an expensive slum.

If the democrats were not making a killing on the stock market which is increasingly lead by high tech stocks the republicans would not be going for their throats and the democrats would actually represent the will of the people. Instead, we have insane Three Stooges slapstick with Trump and the Tea Party wishing they could line up the democrats against a wall and shoot them because they are being outmaneuvered in every way imaginable except the use of lies, brute force, and threats.

 

Oh I didn't mean to infer that he's promoting corporatism. I'm only suggesting that it's his modus. I doubt he'd openly admit any of his corporate crossover strategies in the open air.