Will Trump Supporters Listen To The Warnings?

You're right, nobody here has ever called me a racist or a klansman. It was a contemporary example I have seen on news forums, where stereotyping is usually in full overdrive.

 

The cotton gin and similar inventions are what ended slavery in America.
Mechanization of the process made keeping slaves a losing proposition from a purely economical sense, all politics and moral sensibilities aside.
Machines don't eat, get sick, have babies, etc.,etc..

 

Actually, slavery was on the decline until the invention of the cotton gin. The cotton gin made suddenly made growing cotton much more practical and attractive. Thus, the need for slaves increased.

 

again, that is how you are perceiving it.
I know from reading your posts that you do not utilize faulty logic or irrational rhetoric, so my comment was really much more me scratching my head and being puzzled at your intent.
but if you choose to view it as some form of personal attack, well I have no control over that.

 

In his first term alone, he waged one of the bloodiest wars in human history.

Many people are under the impression the Civil War was all about freeing the slaves. They are not looking at the greater picture. Less that 14% of Southern residents actually owned slaves, and even free black men also owned black slaves in the south as well. The North was no safe haven for black people at that time either. Even the state of New Jersey did not officially end slavery until 1865, right after the Civil War. The civil war had mostly to do with the agriculture-based South, resisting the heavy tariffs of the industrial North. It was not an unpopular idea at the time that a state could secede and form its own country. Every country in the west was able to end slavery without waging a war.

 

I haven't been right since I passed my last kidney stone, ask anybody here. That and George went away.

 

I think that's a bit unfair. First of all, the South fired the first shots. Second, Lincoln had a duty the US to try and preserve the Union. Do you think the fat cats in the North getting rich in the textile industry would sit back and allow the cotton states to leave? No. Lincoln was basically expected to hold the Union together at all costs. We forget that the Industrial Revolution was still in its infancy at the time. The economic power house that the US became was, in my opinion, a direct result of the raw materials from the rural South combined with the industry of the North.

 

Ok, here's a "warning" for you. I watched the president's speech regarding the MS-13/gang problem on Long Island. He recognized things I think a lot of us know about gangs, they're run by assholes, who have no problem injuring and killing people to get what they want. I know that drugs play into this of course, but I hold the position that is the fault of the drug laws, not the drugs.

Anyway, Trump is saying things like "we'll catch them, throw them in jail and deport them" (I paraphrase). The problem I have with this is that some of these asshole gang members have murdered people, often in horrible ways. I can't imagine why Trump thinks deportation is an adequate response to that. Seriously, if a gang rapes children in front of their parents and then murders the whole family with a machete, I expect executions, not a plane trip home.

So much for "tough talking" Trump.

 

but is it a plane trip home, or is it extradition? I didn't see the speech, so forgive me if that comes across as naive, but I would assume murderers would be tried either here or in there home countries.

All that aside, MS13 gives me the willies and I hope he brings the hammer down on them.

 

Since they come back after being deported, it's just a plane trip home. Also, for many years central American countries have refused to take their citizens back. The only reason they do now is because Trump is extorting them with sanctions and trade issues. So maybe the worst of the worst will be executed at home.

Not that I want to get into that old death penalty argument, but I personally see it as a powerful deterrent. Not for the very worst assholes who seem to enjoy killing, but for a lot of people who may be contemplating crossing the line. I KNOW there are plenty of folks who will say there's no "proof" the death penalty dissuades criminals. The same argument can be made for speed limits and shoplifting. When a stretch of road becomes known for being a speed trap, people drive like nuns.

In Orlando there's an adult novelty store called Fairvilla that has a unique method of dealing with shoplifters. If they don't want the cops involved, fine, they are banned from the store but they have to pose with the item they tried to steal for a photograph. The pictures are framed and mounted to the ends of each merchandise aisle. If gang members knew they were going to suffer horribly for their crimes, would they approach life the same way?

Who can say? Gangs are on par with cults, complete with programming/brainwashing. But even ISIS members are defecting in the face of being vaporized by US weapons.

 

They didn't listen to warnings when they were in high school - the apex of their pedagogic dreams, so why now?