Will kids go crazy

smokeybear2 · Mar 9, 2009

majority of my generation is lame brother
in the 60's people were experienced man, they opened their minds with the music, with the good drugs that people dont do anymore. todays youth still have their minds closed man, most of em do anyway.

NotDeadYet · Mar 9, 2009

Not all the changes have been bad. When I go to Asheville, NC on business, I love to walk down Lexington Avenue, which is the bohemian district, and check out all the cool shops. Sometimes I don't get a chance to change into jeans and sandals before I go down there, but nobody gives a shit. They know that you don't have to look a certain way all the time to be an okay person, or to know what is important in life.

If I had done something similar back in the 60s, I guarantee you somebody on the sidewalk would have made a comment to me about being where I didn't belong. In North Carolina back then, a guy could get treated bad by the hippies just for having short hair. My dad wasn't going to give me a choice about anything like that until I moved out of his house.

I'm glad that we have moved beyond some of that petty bullshit and got more focused on the real problems in the world.

Spud · Mar 9, 2009

My two cents...

caliente said:

Grow your own food, or as much as you can. Get back to the country, live off the grid and go green.

I agree with you in principle, Spud. But something like 80% of the population of the United States lives in an urban area. How do those people live off the grid? How do you grow your own food if you live in an apartment on the 20th floor?

It can be done. There is a movement afoot in some major urban areas of the world and the U.S. to develop urban gardens for a sustainable food supply. Garden space can usually be found in cities on private, vacant lots or public lands. These gardens also provide an income for some entrepreneurs. There is a whole host of internet sites dedicated to urban gardening / farming. This is just one to whet your appetite (no pun intended).

http://www.urbangardeninghelp.com/urbanfood.htm

And even if you had the land for crops, how do you harvest, process, and distribute them?

There's a ton of resources out there. Here's one:

http://www.heifer.org/site/c.edJRKQNiFiG/b.734899/

If this chaotic collapse thing has happened, there will be no electricity, no power, no utilities, no public infrastructure. No police or fire protection. No schools. No transportation or communication networks. No grocery stores. No banks. No hardware stores. No hospitals.

That's why you need an exit strategy or family emergency plan. You need to plan ahead. There are tools out there for family emergency planning. In your choatic collapse scenario, you could develop a plan that addresses all of these issues. Again, there are multitudes of websites dedicated to family emergency planning.

http://www.ready.gov/america/makeaplan/

There will people starving and freezing to death everywhere. There will be marauding bands of thugs stealing what food and supplies there are.

All I can say is, get out of Dodge.

Going into the mountains isn't going to solve these things, even if people had the necessary skills, which they don't.

You're absolutely right. I'm not offering a solution to prevent the collapse of society. I'm suggesting a strategy for those who want to survive the inevitable. We have to develop the skills to do that. You have to educate yourself or ask for help.

Your plan might have been feasible in 1800, when the US population was a tenth of what it is now, most of whom were rural and had the kinds of skills necessary. Furthermore, that's how many of them already lived, anyway.

This is America. Anything is feasible. Again, it takes education.

I don't see how on earth it would be possible now.

If you have the will to survive, anything is possible.
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Spud

NotDeadYet · Mar 11, 2009

Urban gardens? Go to maps.google.com and zoom in on any major US city, satelite view. There isn't anywhere near enough land to support hundreds of thousands of people.

Spud · Mar 15, 2009

NotDeadYet said:

Urban gardens? Go to maps.google.com and zoom in on any major US city, satelite view. There isn't anywhere near enough land to support hundreds of thousands of people.
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I believe it can be done. Take this example: Detroit has approximately 40,000 vacant lots in the city. Let's say that the average size of these vacant lots is 5,000 square feet. If you multiply 40,000 vacant lots by 5,000 square feet, you come up with 200 million square feet of vacant land. This equates to approximately 4,590 acres. Let's assume that an acre of land can support 5 people. Then, Detroit's 40,000 vacant lots has the potential to feed about 23,000 people. You do the math.

MaryJBlaze · Mar 15, 2009

malcolmx88 said:

Seems like near the end of the 1960's youth started to go insane, it was in the music, the doors the end, "and all the children are insane", it was in Mansons murderous rampage, it was in the Weather Underground, it was in the Mcdonald killings, it was in the Symbionese Liberation army.

Will today's youth, angry over the iraq war react in similar ways.
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people have been going insane for hundreds of thousands of years....

do you not think there were murderous rampages in the early 1900's?

there just wasnt any media around to report it

NotDeadYet · Mar 15, 2009

Spud said:

Take this example: Detroit
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Detroit is hardly a typical American city at this point in time, but your idea might work there. I was thinking more about New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, Washington, and Baltimore. They have very little unpaved land.

Spud · Mar 15, 2009

NotDeadYet said:

Detroit is hardly a typical American city at this point in time, but your idea might work there. I was thinking more about New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Boston, Washington, and Baltimore. They have very little unpaved land.
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Problem solved. It's called urban, rooftop gardening.

NotDeadYet · Mar 16, 2009

Spud said:

Problem solved. It's called urban, rooftop gardening.
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Good luck with making it happen on a large scale.

Kathryn O · Mar 26, 2009

Detroit has the largest selection of vacant land for urban gardening. and there are communities working on it. As we watched our manufactoring jobs go overseas or dissappear, garedening and other green jobs are where our future is at. We all gotta eat.

Spud · Mar 26, 2009

Kathryn O said:

Detroit has the largest selection of vacant land for urban gardening. and there are communities working on it. As we watched our manufactoring jobs go overseas or dissappear, garedening and other green jobs are where our future is at. We all gotta eat.
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You are absolutely correct! Detroit has approximately 40,000 vacant lots in the city. Let's say that the average size of these vacant lots is 5,000 square feet. If you multiply 40,000 vacant lots by 5,000 square feet, you come up with 200 million square feet of vacant land. This equates to approximately 4,590 acres. Let's assume that an acre of land can support 5 people. Then, Detroit's 40,000 vacant lots has the potential to feed about 23,000 people.

hippiemoonbeam · Jan 16, 2022

Did this age well? 17 years later, did OP predict it?

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