Why you should celebrate thanksgiving with your family TOGETHER this year!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Dude111, Nov 18, 2020.

  1. Dude111

    Dude111 An Awesome Dude

    Tommorow is not promised,nothing is guaranteed...

    Alot of us do not think this is anywhere near as bad as they are making it out ot be... They do not like Mr. Trump and they are making this look as bad as they can while he is still in office....

    Will he still be here after 20/1?? -- Who knows....

    Go have a reg holiday,dont let them ruin it for you... Its what they want.... You to be as miserable as they are....

    Peace and love to you all [​IMG]
  2. ~Zen~

    ~Zen~ Administrator Super Moderator

    I really don't think that's the greatest advice. But in that spirit I do believe we should all get together safely somehow.

    I recently had my first Zoom meeting and it went much better than I expected.

    To downplay the seriousness of this disease is not cool. As of today over 250,000 people have died from this rapidly spreading virus which has absolutely NOTHING to do with hate for Trump. That equals the number of people living in my local city. That would include me also if we were all dead.
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  3. Tishomingo

    Tishomingo Members

    A lot of you are living in an alternative reality. I think an objective look at the facts suggests that it is as bad or worse as "they" are making it out to be. Covid is now killing one American every minute COVID-19 is killing Americans at a rate of at least one per minute
    It's taken more American lives than the last five wars combined: the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Iraq War, the War in Afghanistan. COVID-19 has killed more Americans than the 5 most recent wars combined Our local hospital is at capacity, and if I or one of my family members should need to go there for any reason, tough luck! Yes indeed, life is full of risks, but we don't need to court them. Sanitation is a good idea, and we need to be careful with ladders. By the same token, simple measures like handwashing and mask wearing can reduce the risk of contracting the virus, which can be serious or fatal for some.

    Trump has tried to minimize the danger for political reasons to keep himself in office. He is a world class demagogue who only cares about himself, not the country or his fellow Americans. We have local yokels who are trying to impeach our local government for enacting a mask ordinance at a time when we've become a Covid hot spot. My out-of town sisters and in-laws have agreed to stay home this year, and we're keeping the physical gathering to the nuclear family that lives together anyway. I think we'll survive, especially because of Zoom. By next year, the vaccine may be available, and the crisis may be over, and through sensible behavior we may get to that point. Trump will still be around, but at least out of office for awhile, and hopefully will stay that way permanently. I think people with your views are literally a menace to society. Happy holidays!
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  4. Visexual

    Visexual Member

    Hey Dude,
    Now I do understand how so many of you worship your Jesus second only to your president but, get real. Your president has two months before his legal battles begin out of office.

    And I have no problem with all of you families having a great get together next Thursday with your red caps proudly on your heads. But please do, keep them on after Thursday so the rest of us will know who to keep distant from in public.
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  5. loveslovely

    loveslovely Members

    i wish we could but the cases got so worse in Illinois we cancelled ours so ill be the one to be over my parents house since i stay 20 mins from them everybody else stay farther from us
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  6. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    This kind of my pack first attitude is the problem with Republicans. You need to see grandma so who cares if other people die. I understand wanting to see loved ones but a lot of Americans will not make it Christmas if they insist on having Thanksgiving. More Americans have died from Covid in under a year than we lost in 4 years of World War 2. You would think there is some point where the right wing would care but I guess not.
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  7. Tishomingo

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  8. Flagme15

    Flagme15 Members

    I am not sure that trump had COVID, but he said he did, and he survived it. Therefore, his supporters don’t believe they can die from it because he didn’t.
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  9. wrat1

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  10. Tishomingo

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    I wouldn't be surprised to see a religious cult forming around him in the near future. I'm sure he'd be happy to pass the collection plate. One born every minute! Speaking of which a tearful caller to Rush Limbaugh reported he'd be willing to die for the Donald, because he's given so selflessly to the country. Mass psychosis! Caller tells Rush Limbaugh he’s willing to give his life for Trump
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  11. Flagme15

    Flagme15 Members

    These people are nuts.
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  12. Truckguy1987

    Truckguy1987 Members

    Have the numbers suddenly jumped to the 400k territory?? Are they pulling dead bodies out of the big box stores?? As an expendable worker who has been working every day thru this mess I haven't been seeing piles of homeless people everywhere,the camps are growing however...not saying its not real,but not sure what to believe anymore with all the disinformation and constant changes by the "experts"
  13. Tishomingo

    Tishomingo Members

    Why don't you go to El Paso and find out?
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  14. Truckguy1987

    Truckguy1987 Members

    Why? Are the freezers at the box stores full of bodies?? Or are people dropping on the streets??
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  16. Truckguy1987

    Truckguy1987 Members

    Good thing I didn't leave anything in El Paso I want to go back for..
  17. Cookie Man

    Cookie Man Members

    "Its what they want.... You to be as miserable as they are...."
    You know why they are miserable ? because people on the front line ,the doctors,nurses,orderlies,morgue attendants etc are seeing people die despite giving them the best of care ,and they are angry that moronic idiots like the governor of South Dakota don't give a fuck about anyone and refuse to tell people to do their best to not get the virus.
    and if you don't believe that it's as bad as they say then you are a rolled gold idiot living in a fools paradise.
    By the way I just learned that my wife had to have an urgent test because despite the fact that she wears a mask and social distances she had contact with a co worker who tested positive because he just had to go to a bar to watch the Packers play (and lose).he couldn't watch at home because he's a selfish dick,now I'm angry!
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  18. wilsjane

    wilsjane Members

    This misrepresentation of the FULL facts by the media is alarming and very cruel, based purely on our lack of understanding of death, a subject that none of us enjoy discussing.

    The true facts are.
    Every year in the US, more than 2.8 million people die. This is roughly the same as the birth rate.
    During the last 72 hours of life, a virus takes hold and starts the clock ticking in more than 95% of ALL deaths.
    Therefore, since covid is the current flue virus, it gets all the blame.

    A death certificate lists the PRIMARY cause of death. The virus involved in the final hours is rarely listed, since it is irrelevant.
    Since covid, doctors are required to list it, since it is a notifiable condition.
    Therefore, when you misread the data shows that, everyone is dying of covid and most of the 1.4 million people who die from cancer every year are all alive and well
    In reality, people are looking at both figures and tens of thousands of people are dying twice.

    The TRUE figures. I can only take these from the UK, where I have access to them.
    Our mortality rate for the first 10 months of 2020 is 2.7% up on the 5 year average.
    This is about 1% above previous years that have suffered a flue epidemic.
    The following 2 years are normally low, which balances the books

    Why is all this happening.
    Flue can cause pneumonia leading to septicaemia in normally healthy people.
    It can also cause kidney failure, resulting in multi organ shutdown.
    ICU treatment saves nearly all of these people.
    THE MOMENT THAT ICU UNITS ARE OVERWHELMED, normally healthy people will be left to die.
    It may be hard to believe, but that is the fear and simple truth.
  19. Tishomingo

    Tishomingo Members

    In my community, that moment is now! The hospital is packed, and if I need to go there for Covid19 or anything else, I'm screwed! Which is why I'm concerned about Covid19 and relatively unconcerned about the regular flu (for which I've been vaccinated and probably have immunities), or whether my death will be the result of Covid19 alone or Covid19 working in conjunction with other factors. True, every year on average in the U.S. more than 2.8 million die. (Looks like it will be way more this year!. )The notion that the fatalities will be the same whether it's Covid19 or some other virus seems dubious, if not downright mystical. (Was that true with the Bubonic plague in Europe?) We can of course minimize anything by framing. Compared with the number of people in the world, or in our country, or grains of sand on the beach, total deaths, 262k deaths from Covid19 may seem like a drop in the bucket, but in comparison with other leading causes of death, it's something to worry about. And although I'm aware something's gonna get me and my loved ones sooner or later, I'd rather it be later than sooner and will do my best to pursue that goal.
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  20. wilsjane

    wilsjane Members

    I am so sorry to hear about what is going on in your country.

    If you read my last post carefully, you would realize that while their has been an unnecessary reaction in some areas of the UK, it is all about preventing the situation facing you right now.

    At the end of the day, when a new virus mutates into humans, it takes a while for natural immunity to build up and be shared, so we all need to be careful, to prevent peaks that overwhelm the health services.
    A virus does not kill directly. Take a look at my last paragraph.
    My advice is to ensure that you maintain a good diet and exercise, just walking is all that you need and keep up the fresh fruit or a small dose of vitamin C (60mg)
    In event of a fever, analgesics such as paracetamol are fine, but do not take them as a preventative measure unless advised by a doctor.

    Hopefully your hospitals will sort things out, since I have little doubt that most of the people panicking will never need ICU treatment. The problem is sending them home and clearing the way for people who genuinely need treatment. It is every hospitals worst nightmare, since it additionally adds to the spread of any virus and pathogenic bacteria when people who are sick with worry congregate together.

    While I was trying to put some perspective on the overall death rate being wrongly perceived as additional, covid is a very nasty virus and one additional death is one too many.

    PS, Prior to your latest outbreak, did you have a sensible isolation policy in progress.?
    People here in the UK have been concerned that it is over reactive, but under reaction is far worse.

    PPS, From what I have heard, Trump behaved like a petulant child, rather than a world leader guiding his people through a difficult and worrying time.

    Take care, but don't think that you are waiting for the executioner. Regards, Wills.
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