Why you can't find God.

i do not claim to have studied manson. you have i'll take your word for that. what is really is that this is of no pertenance to the question at hand.

if people cannot find what they call god, it is because they blind themselves by denying, that goodness and the desire to be feared, are absolute binary opposites.
no scripture of any religion is the will of any god, though the unknown being unknown does not in any way prevent their existence.
no good thing wishes to be feared. as long as people look for a magical hierarchy of invisible things, that is not the universe we live in.

all things being neither greater nor less, each with their own statistical voice, is.

we do not look like gods, who, requiring no physical form, have no physical appearance. we have no moral dominion over other species, nor the rest of the universe,
only the capacity to destroy on our own planet, the diversity of life, our own existence as a species depends upon.

there are no things that exist for no better purpose then to be our enemies, then to cause suffering and harm.
but there are among us people who have been so clouded by their experience of adversarial culture,
that they imagin themselves to be doing others a service, by imitating what they imagine an invisible and hostile force to be.

("thou art god" is not saying you are greater then everything else in the universe. because it is universally mutual. the point was that everyone calling EACH OTHER god, meant no one was any less then another. and while this is in no way required to be literally nor tangibly accurate, you are always the best you, that you can be. neither slave to, NOR enemy of, some imagined uber alis hierarchy. THAT was the WHOLE point, which obviously your illustration indicates manson somehow managed to miss, entirely)

 

Just explaining the connection That you said didn't exist ! All the rest is nothing to do with me

 

I believe we are literally God. I don't see God as a separate entity. It's not an original perspective but like you, Eric, most people seem unable to get on board with it. I think Bill Hicks may have touched on the idea.. That we are the entity that is God, wanting to experience itself.

No one seems troubled by the idea that Jesus and God are father and son, but ALSO that Jesus is the living embodiment of God.. At the same time. The only difference between that and what I think, is that I don't believe Jesus was any different than me or you, it's just he remembered, really remembered, who he was. I say I believe this, and I do, but I don't KNOW it, and that's what keeps me from being able to walk on water : )

Like how Neo couldn't make the jump first time, even though he knew it was only a program.

 

I think Jesus was telling us this when he told us he was the son of God and that we were his brothers and sisters. He meant it.

 

Oh yes, the universe experiencing itself through us (it's own indirect creation). I find that an intriguing idea as well. I'm not sure if its like that I would call the universe God. But who knows? I'm not dead set on drawing conclusions

About Jesus I also think he's no more the son of God than anybody else. We're all children of God. Not literally of course (unfortunate habit of certain religious followers).

 

I dont really believe in God
I think God is just something we've came up with to explain everything.
God is just the whole. The entirety
And we are fragments of the whole

And Jesus is the fragment who understood that being fragmented has caused divisions, and hatred and apathy has filled the space between the fragments. And love is the only thing that can unite the fragments with the whole

Yep

 

I only use the word God for ease.
Universe, The Over, Source, The Force.. Whatever word for the same thing anyone wants to use. I think we are it.

 

Hahaha, I say I use it "for ease", but people's preconceptions cause more opposition than if I used a different word.

 

Yeah lol
I'm definitely guilty of immediately thinking of the stereotypical patriarchal, abrahamic idea of God when I hear the word

 

Somehow I feel it's important to reclaim the word, because so much of what Christ said is good and true, like you just said up there about fragments. It's the metaphorical devil subverting the truth by twisting it into modern day Christianity.

 

For some people it's just difficult anyway. The other night I was with a couple of friends, and one of them was upset. She had just had surgery on her nose. She went in the next room, thought of God, and returned more peacefully. It's a helpful reminder for some people, a strength they can't find on their own. It makes one wonder if it doesn't have some substance, too.

No, I'm just entertaining the idea that there is another side to mind. That it exists inside and outside our heads.

 

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OK - I can go for that

 

So true.
I stopped believing in the Abrahamic God after reading the New Testament in its entirety when I was 18 or so, I've probably told this story a few times on hip so sorry if I sound like a broken record
But anyways in a weird way I still consider myself a Christian because I still have so much faith and love for the teachings of Jesus. And I feel like so many Christians miss the point of his message

 

I hadn't heard that story actually.
I became a Christian when I was about 10 because my sister did and I wanted to be like her. By 16 I was struggling with concepts of hell and anti gay/drugs etc. I faded into atheism, gradually changed that to agnosticism and then in the last few years "found God" in the sense I know it now. But yeah, those years in the Church showed me a lot of hypocrisy.

 

People, what have you done
Locked Him in His golden cage
Golden cage
Made Him bend to your religion
Him resurrected from the grave
From the grave
He is the God of nothing
If that's all that you can see
You are the God of everything
He's inside you and me
So lean upon Him gently
And don't call on Him to save you
From your social graces
And the sins you used waive
You used to waive
The bloody Church of England
In chains of history
Requests your earthly presence at
The vicarage for tea
And the graven image you know
With His plastic crucifix
He's got him fixed
Confuses me as to who and where and why
As to how he gets his kicks
He gets his kicks
Confessing to the endless sin
The endless whining sounds
You'll be praying 'til next Thursday to
All the Gods that you can count

 

does this mean every time i make or do something that might have been inspired by something in a book, this somehow connects me to that book and its author?
well i might buy that, but that doesn't make the converse true, that it somehow connects them and it to me.

christ was cool, he was a good jewish boy who opposed being colonized by an erratic roman empire.
but christianity threw him under the bus when it cannonized saul of tarsus.

what is good in the teachings of christ, is good in nearly all religions, even polytheistic ones, and even ones that do not personify a god at all.
but it doesn't require nor depend upon alegience to some non-physical hierarchy.

evil is not a side, it is a form of behavior. the very form that advisarial cultures, such as dominate america, glorify, romantacize and reward.

and whatever gods, scriptures or anything else, goodness and the desire to be feared, are still absolute binary opposites.

and hienline's point about fosteritism, his perhaps parody of scientology, though to some degree applies to all organized religions and even ultimately to all hierarchies,
is the idea of a pyramid or ponzey scheme. hierarchies are a simplistic way of organizing a society, and not all social organization is bad, infrasturture depends upon it,
but, simplistic isn't always the best. and at any rate, our whole world is such a tiny tiny grain of sand, in such an unimginably vase universe,
that the collective narcessism of our human species, for anything beyond ourselves and our own planet, is pretty much of a joke.

and yet and yet, each of us, the whole "thou art god thing" is no less, then any one other thing, among the infinity, or near infinity, of other things that exist,
and not just us, thou art god, is every cat, dog, grain of sand on the beach, sun and planet in the universe.

 

Er Ok !

 

My God,, its full of stars..

 

I agree that religion has hijacked the concept of God and turned it into this hokey, dumb thing. When really it's just a deeply philosophical question, one that is inescapable so long as a being has the capacity to hypothesize it. Just given the nature of our minds, it is an inevitable thought, that has nothing to do with the fear of death or anything like that.

It's possible that there is a mind behind all of this. That is all that is really being suggested. Personally, I don't believe that human beings are of the highest order of mind. My instincts tell me that there is a higher order of mind that is omniscient.