Why Is Rock Still Dead?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9DSlscVszg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7sr5y-Ec14

 

I also often think that even though a fellow musician can appreciate it when a band's sound evolves/develops, this is often not the case for the listener (depending on the details of the directions of course, but speaking in general). It's not just that they want more of the same, with rock when a band evolves into something more developed it often loses it's real rocky edge. A listener who's also a musician seems to regard such a developed sound more often as good than a passionate listener. The latter just want to rock to a good tune/band, not see a band that did everything right turn into another well skilled but boring sounding music project with a sound nobody craves but still does it well in the charts or on the radio (because it seemingly has all the right elements for that).

 

Asmo. Now really, if I didnt have a thorough understanding of what rock is, how could I work in the industry as I do. C'mon.

 

Also, youre talking about a select few who arent liking what is coming out..a lot of us do. For the record, Shinedown are not mediocre. They are accomplished musicians, the lyrics have good phrasing, tempos are good, the songs have the drive that constitutes a rock song etc..

 

I bet you dont like Linkin Park either.
Granted, the 12 bar is ..or was a big part of the whole rock genre in its infancy, but its kindof moved away from that ..which is fine by me. However the one thing that made rock and still remains ,is the drive of the drumlines, which originated centuries ago with African tribes.If the hard drive of the drumline isnt there, like in much psy, it isnt true rock. All the other stuff..defiant lyrics, raunch, 12 bar progressions are after cursers , subject to change.

 

Uhm. Did I imply you don't have such understanding? And many people are working in the industry that help kill good music (not meaning you are one of them, just saying that working in the industry doesn't mean shit by default to me).

It's all about the sound, and that means it is also all about personal taste. What is good rock is also about taste. It isn't just about doing all the elements right. That's why I find posting examples of songs you don't absolutely love yourself not really a great example. Only passionate music lovers and the examples of what they love can explain well why rock is alive and kicking.

Yes I rather hear no music at all than be confronted with Linkin Park. Their sound does not appeal to me at all. Other people apparently think differently and that is ok. Good music and appreciating it is about taste and giving in to what we really like, not settling for some kind of style that matches all the elements like phrasing, tempo etc. or catering to what a band (or music 'fan') think the mainstream audience wants.

I really don't care in the first place about accomplished musicians. It's about the sound. And yes, shinedown sounds mediocre to me. I'm not talking about their skillls when I say that, I am talking about their sounds, their songs. It is not what I find enjoyable or what I would call a great rock sound. Rock has to catch you. Makes you wanna rock out or really listen to it. Shinedown doesn't do that (for me) at all. We seem to get into a debate that is essentially about taste now. We seem to have different taste, preferences and therefor different ideas on what makes rock great.

 

Every example I have posted, I not only find good examples of rock, I like them. So for you to tell me they are mediocre is bullshit dude, because my reasons that they are not mediocre are legit, and ive explained them. Your personal taste, doesnt hold weight as far as declaring them mediocre beyond opinion. Not saying your opinion doesnt count, just daying your dislike for what they are putting out, dors not make them mediocre.

 

"I have a good understanding what rock is too, we just have different tastes and preferences (apparently). I slightly disagree with this:"
No, you didnt imply it, it apeared you downright said it. Um, but re reading that I see now you wrre referring to what followed? If thats the case, my mistake, and my sincere aplogies.

 

The only thing I am trying to convey here is my opinion. And same for you. We don't have to agree at all! We're simply giving our opinions on the topic. My opinion on Shinedown seems bullshit to you because you like them. That's understandable. If you would try to put it that your opinion is more credible or valuable because you are a musician yourself and/or work in the industry (not sure) I would have to say bullshit too I am a passionate lover of rock and I know what shaped the genre. I just don't care for a lot of stuff you care for and vice versa. Should be no issue. It doesn't mean one of us is void of sense or reason or doesn't have a clue about rock

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Asmo.i am very passionate about music and the making of it.i love it to the point I practice up to 10 hours every day, so I can play, record and share the music I love to listen to and play. To do that, I have to know my shit.

 

Intuition and the urge to rock a crowd's tits off can be more important in excecuting a good rock sound than extensive knowledge of the genre.

 

"My opinion on Shinedown seems bullshit to you because you like them."

No, its because it is bullshit, because maybe my deffinition of mediocre is based on something different than yours. When you say that im thinking as musicians and artists, they are far from mediocre.. I guess you are talking in listeners sense from 1 to ten, them being a five? As far as likability? And I think I clarified that your opinion carried just as much weight as a listener. Just in a different sense.

 

It is an sincere opinion. How is that bullshit. You just don't like or approve of that opinion. I am indeed talking about their sound and that song you shared, not in the first place about their skills, intentions or whatever (as I have explained more than once now). Yes, it is mediocre rock. MHO (and not only mine). The sound is what matters. The sound is what makes them mediocre rock. There is so much better rock that this is mediocre. That's how it goes.

Put them next to the highlights in rock and tell me they do not sound mediocre in comparison. Once again: not talking about their musicianship/skills. I am talking about the sound. The thing that matters to the actual passionate listener in the end.

Thanks for clarifying. Cool. Yes we come from a different perspective. You from the perspective of a person that works in the industry, and seem to take in account many aspects, and I as mainly a listener who judges primarily on the sound and how interesting, fun and good that sounds to me.

 

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"Intuition and the urge to rock a crowd's tits off can be more important in excecuting a good rock sound than extensive knowledge of the genre."

Maybe for some, I guess thats true, but guys like that are easily spotted. Those are the kind of cats that dont have any appreciation for playing other genres and never turn down their damn amps. They dont play dynamics as they should and declare anyone who doesnt do rock is an ass. Yep, encounter them all the time. But there are still plenty of true artists who actually care, love to rock and work hard at putting out the rock they love to play and want others to hear. Its still out here..

 

"The sound is what matters. The sound is what makes them mediocre rock."
See, I personaly like their sound. Lol and dont find It mediocre at all.

 

I think you are massively stereotyping/generalizing there. It may count for some bands and bandmembers of course.

That was already clear to me Different folks, different strokes.

 

"Yes, it is mediocre rock. MHO (and not only mine)."

Lol I say they are putting out good rock MHO and thats not just mine either.
However, they arent mediocre, because they arent mediocre musicians to begin with..

 

Well hey, if they aren't mediocre musicians than their sound must be freaking awesome... (sigh)

 

"I think you are massively stereotyping/generalizing there. It may count for some bands and bandmembers of course."
Actually? It counts for most. Its mostly the love of music and playing it that gets them there in the first place. Rarely I encounter a guy who is in it for the girls, or they fame, but they get shut out of real musician circles pretty quickly. And then, ill see some that are thrown together by some producer and they end up big., but everyone working heavy in music know who they are too. Then there are the ones who love it, erite good stuff to express it and get screwed by the corps and their stuff doesnt even sound like them. And they are trapped in a contract and end up having to put out what??? Filler. But when youre working in it, word gets around.. we know who they are too. And we know what they really play. And what calibre of players they are. AND if they rock or not! Lol

 

A thorough working knowledge in any genere can help in conveying its sound . Couple that with intuition and the urge to rock a crowd? Its a go across the board.