Why Is Rock Still Dead?

Nice catch, Astral! I like epic rock..its certainly not dead either.

 

Yeah.... I know what you mean.

But something is different when "godsmack" does it.

Just the "god" is enough to give me bad vibes about it.

 

http://youtu.be/Uds7g3M-4lQ

Hey, theres even Lolita rock out...lol funny as hell but this is an all girl band who can actually play their instruments..kinda lolita pop rock ..

 

Not my style, but they can definitely play.

 

http://youtu.be/ieOmYgnA2Co



Another one that tells me youve totally fallen for the commercial ploy is the fact you like round n round..filler commersh tune.Have a listen to the stuff they really loved to play. So you see, most bands have their commersh, and they have the stuff which inspired them. Stuff today is no darker if you really listen.

 

LOL, it's like when Quiet Riot got sucked into the whole corpo-rock thing, they ended up basically one-hit-wonders for a tune that didn't even represent their sound ( feel the noise) and they've regretted it ever since!

" Come in here dear boy have a cigar you're gonna go far..." ( ~R. Waters- Welcome to the machine)

 

Fixed

 

I have to say if I saw rock as one big thing and the songs posted on page 5, 6 and 7 represent it I pretty much applaud it's death too But for real...!

I have the feeling that with most music critics, and with Neon as well, it is not the issue about acknowledging their musicianship or mastery of their instruments. It is about what they do with it, how their 'product' actually sounds and comes across.
You don't have to be a fellow musician at all to criticize an artists sound. Personally I think this reply of 'hey learn how to play yourself, instead of shitting on other people's sound' gets old and used too often. Sure, it is easy to say something sucks when one can not do it themselves either, but if people are confronted with the songs that are targeted to get mass appeal and want to give a rigid opinion on that sound it is completely valid and understandable of course. I agree rock fans shitting on Nickelback and similar lame-o rock and metalfans shitting on Nightwish (they lost their appeal for me long ago too, like pretty much a decade ) is getting old but they just have to suck it. They apparently annoy music lovers and those music fans are completely entitled to give their opinion. They don't have to master an instrument themselves.

What I also notice is that pro musicians like yourself can be much more forgiving of these mediocre pop rock shit because they can relate better to the situation of such artists, and I guess also because they listen more to the production and skills and think hey that's alright. But a music fan who's 'just' a passionate listener often does not give a shit about just another mediocre sounding band or the struggles and skills of their members if those listeners simply can't enjoy much in the sound. When I check out the songs you posted I really think you either have a completely different taste and perception of what's good rock, or you are too much focussing/have too much understanding for what they are trying to do and how good they can do it, and not about if the song is actually great rock on itself.
I mean does (mainstream) rock has to survive on mediocre stuff? Isn't it indeed dying then I rather have a band with average skilled members writing a raw and powerful song that hits it right on the money that some skilled rockers that poop out another well polished but intensely cliché, lame and uninspiring hit or album. That being said: I appreciate craftmanship a lot as well of course

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVYcXGWiFcI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rub91NONmPA

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TnNb3cBzuE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZbdEEU8J5o

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knFfTkxYC5U

Great sound, but wouldn't mind if it stayed instrumental:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oakwiIJ0OUk

 

Asmo, I understand what youre saying, and its cool. I certainly dont mind when someone critiques a band, but when they stat going on about knowing the intentions etc..etc.. thats when the line gets drawn because a passionate listener has no clue. Also, producers have pretty much everything to do with how the song ultimately turns out and how it is marketed. To be honest, I just go with what appeals to me, as everyone does..our experiences and personal tastes dictate what we like or dont. Im not so forgiving when it comes to shit playing , but I am if they play well and I know a producer has had their hand in the mix..

 

Asmo, I have a good understanding of what rock is, and how it is played. When I see good examples of that, I like it. Even if it isnt quite my thing, im forgiving of them and still appreciate good playing ..a good example is a good example, whether I like it or not. I will tell you something else too..when you sit and listen to literally 100s of tracks and 99.9 of them are just...crap for one reason or another, those few that hit livestream are the better of the bad. A listener might not give a damn about whay goes on to make the records you hear, but maybe its time listeners start being a little more empathetic to the overall situation.

 

The reason you hear the old and overused saying, as you put it, is because listeners want a certain thing, but totally bitch about not getting it. If thats the case , do it yourselves. See how that works out. We say it a lot, cause we friggin mean it.

 

The deadman tune? Thats not even rock in the modern sense. Its boogie jam in blues 12 bar progression. The quimby beard is good psychill, much like Enigma, but rock? Not even close.

 

Truck fighters and Nebula..both ehat I would certainly consider rock..and not bad either although the guitar is muddy as fuck, all the elements are there. However its old style and the same sound and delivery as stuff that was played all throughout the 60s .and 70s.

 

The other stuff you posted is psy.

 

I think I see whats going on here..you guys are looking to hear music reminiscent of a time when rock had taken on that jam , trippy, gritty style and went on an on forever and a day. Im here to say, thats not what most are looking to hear anymore. Playing that style is fun and its great for jams, but for a 3 minute tune, it aint happenin. With few exceptions, that style is dying out, because no one wants to really play it anymore.

 

Please keep in mind that the songs they play on the radio are never the best of what a band has. Youve got to listen beyond that.its a weird phenomenon thats been going on forever.

 

I agree production and arrangement is of course really important and a big part of the album sound. But if the actual song is not impressive the production can't save it.

I have a good understanding what rock is too, we just have different tastes and preferences (apparently). I slightly disagree with this:

The best example one can give is of course a track, sound or band you really dig yourself. Not the best of the bad. That's why people who have found a few acceptabe tunes in a list of 100 crappy tracks will rarely convince anyone how good and alive rock is. If you don't find it great yourself it isn't great and it isn't a great example (imho). Why pick some songs from such a stash when there is also new stuff we actually love.


I think all my examples fit in the rock department. From space rock (a form of psych) to boogie. How are boogie and jam not fitting in the rock genre? Maybe as some form of offshoot but still, Dead man is rock with perhaps sometimes a more boogie jam touch and sometimes even a bit of a folk touch.

Yes, they don't use much new elements and it is great. Not because they are doing what was done before but because they really play what they want The muddy sound is of course intentional.

First of all, I am not looking for new bands doing what was done before but yes I prefer jam, psych, stoner and groove rock above most other subgenres. What matters is how it sounds. Who gives a fuck about a band like Shinedown and the example you posted when you yourself also find it a mediocre sound and band (correct me if I'm wrong ). How is it a great example? I always share tunes that for me proof that rock is alive and kicking. I can only sincerely talk about this topic when I think of the music I love. Not the average stuff that brought out another mediocre song or album that happens to be well produced and played.
Second of all: I don't care what MOST want to hear Most people have shitty taste. Rock is segregated in many subgenres. The genre(s) I love and have posted examples of do not lack interest. A genre does not solely exists by the creators of course, there has to be an audience and it is still there Those styles are not dying out, it just happens to not be in anybody's face. If you really think nobody wants to play jam, psych, stoner, garage etc. etc. you are in for a treat. I could post pages full of good examples of new bands.

Except Nebula (one of my favs) all examples I posted on this page so far are european btw So maybe it is just dying out in your area, which is always possible. Sweden has an amazing florishing rock scene it seems, it is quite strange to see how many groovy bands are coming from there in the last 2 decades...! Well maybe not that strange , but remarkable for sure! Especially considering the quality