Why is peace so hard to achieve?

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  1. shedtroll

    shedtroll Peace, Love & Linux

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    I don't don't think it's all religon, It's peoples ignorence of other people's religon. If we learnt the wisdom from other religons we might get along a bit better.
     
  2. Loveminx

    Loveminx Sports Racer

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    Or just teach them tolerance.
     
  3. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Religions do fall into the trap, but wars are caused by power mongers that manipulate others in order to profit from the loss of everything else that is important. If we look internally to what is important, instead of looking and measuring externals, only those wishing to improve their own positions would ever get involved. Innocents would continue with their work in the fields. Because it is only by our own travail that we ever prosper. But they promise us easy prosperity, but they rarely deliver. They tell us they can manage the world for us...that's the trap. No one can manage your life but yourself.

    They promise you security, but you yourself are the only one that can provide that. But we all sacrifice in it's name and we all pay them the duties they request. And they can never guarrantee it. Their insurances always have exemption claims, but we pay them add to their coffers. We respond to their promises of lower rates and dividends, but when has that ever happened? We sacrifice by higher rates and the loss of children, but the rates never go down.
     
  4. tomplus

    tomplus Member

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    peace will only happen naturally, it may happen, but probably not (sorry my opinion) what i mean is i dont think we can make it happen, like even if we get a big peace army or something :p

    we have to let it flow. the best we can do is be good to those we know and hopefully it will have a knock on effect and they will go on and do the same. being nice to each other is the only way to fight against corporations/governments/capitalism etc

    they are winning now because they have isolated everybody, now we feel afraid to even speak to another person in the street (in my country at least)

    people think you are weird if you offer to do something nice for them

    "hmmm i wonder what she wants, is she a psycho?"

    i think this is an effect of NWO and our only defense is to be nice. but unfortunately there will always be someone there who doesnt want to be nice and this means that we will most likely stay how we are now, forever.

    one thing i would really like to know is how and when the borders became... like who decided that "this will be france!" ???
     
  5. Dehnus

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    Jup it is the ultimate evolvement of the age old question. "Is my Penis bigger then your Penis". Sad thing is that even some women are interested in it :D.
     
  6. Dehnus

    Dehnus Member

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    I agree, religion is an excuse. An Excuse they use so they can go the easy way and not even get the blame for it, since hey God wanted it that way :).
     
  7. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Peace is not hard to attain, it's only hard to maintain because so many stand to profit from conflict. Most of us just want to get on with our own lives, but some want to make a profit off others. They are the ones we should beware of. They never risk their own lifes or those of their family. They profit from conflict without risk to themselves. When we recognize this, then they will have to fight their own battles or risk their own families, but now we fall into their traps and promises. We should just get on with our lives. And let them strive to profit from battles amongst themselves.
     
  8. Hope_B

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    i think it's all bcuz the selfish creatures that called human
    they always want what's better 4 them & never think of the others
    & the money makes the hearts become like a solid rock !!
    they loves 2 get & get & get & never give !
    what can i say most ppl r very very sick
    we should find them a realy good doctor :\
     
  9. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    How many times have you voted for something Hope because you thought it would save or make you money? You are nineteen, you've gotten to vote in at least two elections...what do you think of before your vote?
     
  10. Freewheelin Franklin

    Freewheelin Franklin Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    Religion is not the problem, but organized religion is, or at least a big part of it. Male Islamic children are being taught, in their schools, by their parents and families, that if they die fighting the infidel (that's us), they will go to "heaven" and have sex with 72 virgins. Hmmm...I wonder what the attraction is for Islamic girls..."So, if you die fighting the infidel, you will go to "heaven" and be part of a 72 girl harem where you will be raped repeatedly..." Gee. How can anyone resist that sales pitch???
     
  11. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    What about the male christian children being taught they are protecting their world for Islamic radicals...One religion is as bad as the other. Is sex the sole motivater in the universe. What about rational thought? Girls and sex are the only thing motivating this war???? Coalition "warriors" aren't raping and satisfying their needs?

    How much do you actually know about Islam or even your own faith. You've been sold a bill of goods if you think this about protecting the virtue of innoncent females.

    This sort of comment just shows me how ignorant the western world is.
     
  12. Freewheelin Franklin

    Freewheelin Franklin Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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  13. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Franklin you just want to buy into the hype. You haven't really thought this out or decided for your self. You believe we are fighting a pagan warrior. Not true we are being pitted worker against worker, and those that are profitting are doing that in order to profit and cause us not to look at those we are at odds with.

    They are just trying to survive. I doubt many have even heard of the promise of 24 virgins. They are fighting to protect their mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers just as we are. And they are making much less an hour if anything than we are.
     
  14. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Islam is based on the same god that jews and christians reverance. Ever thought of that?
     
  15. Freewheelin Franklin

    Freewheelin Franklin Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    Christians worship a man. And moslems teach their children that their god wants them to kill Jews. Ever thought of that?
     
  16. Freewheelin Franklin

    Freewheelin Franklin Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    I'm sure not going to buy into your hype. No, I don't believe we are fighting "pagan warriors." I think we are fighting against the evil teachings of organized religions.
     
  17. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    So Christ was a man? I thought he was a divinity that rose from the dead? So Christ was simply a man so he could have had a child with Mary Magdalen? So he wasn't the son of god?

    You know nothing of the moslem faith. You should learn more about your own faith before you spout rubbish. No where in the Koran does it espouse the killing of Jews.
     
  18. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    This is indeed a revelation...but I am sure you and your family are guiding your lives based on a "revelation"!. Extremism isn't soley reliant on one religion or another. It encompasses all organized religions.
     
  19. tomplus

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    Qur'an not Koran...

    you're starting to come off really self righteous here, gardener. and thats not healthy for this kind of conversation.

    these conversations always seem to go the same way these days, someone starts pulling apart someone elses comments when they basically agree on the base point that the war is wrong. its like theyre here for to assert their superiority to make themselves feel in some way better, rather than to discuss the matter and share their point of view.

    its no secret that muslims practice some very unethical pracitces according to the 'developed' world's idea of whats right + wrong. of course the christians have been no better themselves. but then what is called christian now is far removed from what it was origionally. i dont know this but the same could probably be assumed for islam too.

    religion is not the reason for peace being hard to achieve. as has already been stated, organised religion can be held at least partly responsible.

    if i were you i'd leave it at that and discuss something more productive.
     
  20. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    So it's all about developed versus non-developed? No I will not leave this discussion to those that wish to incorporate new followers to their rolls following misinformed roles that lead to youngsters believing they are benefiting their manhood. It's all bullshit, ask your mothers.
     

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