why is it so f***ing hard for my parents to accept who I am? damn church etc...

May god bless the 50 000 kids a day that die due to lack of food and basic medical care.
God has already blessed my son tremendously. He is a very lucky, and loving boy. Much more so than some of the judgemental busy bodies that post here.

 

Soulless chaos, I tried to give you a rep. but it wouldnt let me.
Anyway, I dont believe you are soulless. Chaos, for sure, that is a given in my reality, but I sense a soul in you somewhere. I could always be wrong....

 

fuck you


go reread the post ya goof. 28 000 starve to death, (like you care anyway),
and 22 000 more die due to lack of basic medical care.
Quit shooting off your mouth, unless you like making yourself look the fool.

 

I have told you child that I will not engage in further dialogue until you change your immature and agressive manner. Please don't waste your time responding to any more posts from me, as I will not be responding.

 

I think I need to memorize this post Bill. I am having a hard time resisting the temptation to point out the young ones constant foibles.

I want you to know that I admire your civility in response to such asinine attacks.

 

He might sound muffled, what with his head up his ass an all, don't you think?

I am amazed at your persistent and totally unnecessary attacks.

Why do they have to agree about Him. They already have a wonderful common patriarch in Abraham that they can find agreement about.
He would be a much better initial subject to start to build the bridge.

 

Thanks again Blackguard. I have nothing against this kid, I just don't see any point in my throwing fuel onto the flames, so to speak. I don't like to argue with people - always happy to discuss. But when one has been called an idiot, a troll. told to get head out of asshole over and again all in one evening, it just gets a bit much.
But Blackguard, I've enjoyed our dialogue - hope to see you around here again.

Love & Peace.

 

So your position is that you would not question me ... unless you felt I was doing something evil.

Do you not see the problems this causes for you?

It is a position of intolerance, and you preach it as accepting.

It is a position of ignorance, and you preach it as understanding.

Good sir, you have not understood the Christian perspective. If you had, you would understand and agree with Christian parents who question and debate values with their pagan child.

Good sir, you have not accepted other perspectives. If you had, you would understand and agree that yours may not be the only perspective that may be had. You would accept that other perspectives must be just as valid as yours.

Or, you may have a poor understanding of the Christian Faith. And you may have reasoned your opinion better than all others. In which case please list your reasons.

In responding to my post, in arguing with me on this particular issue, is that not exactly what you are doing? By not writing “I accept your view as valid, as all views are.”, have you not since been promoting your position of acceptance and understanding as the right opinion on the matter? ... better, more valid, than my opinion on the matter?

Good sir, you have.

Or, you practice not what you preach.

 

now THAT was funny.

 

I have far more in common with Bill than with you, Stan. So you can put my name beside his on your little scorecard. I hope you are enjoying your game, cuz this is not a dress rehearsal, this is the real deal. You seem to regard it as a lark, or a checkers match, while I see it as an urgent challenge, which needs immediate, intelligent solutions to be offered. With your grey matter, you would be a great help if only you would try to focus on solutions and commonground, instead of just criticizing and keeping score.

 

So you see nothing wrong with raping little boys, thats great....

and even more worrying, you see no difference between good and evil, well I do, and I cannot help that. Sorry.
If your views are harmless to others, or outside of my sphere of influence then do all the 'what I feel is evil', raping and pillaging you want. When I see it harm others, I cannot in good conscience stand by.

 

this is growing tiresome, Stan, I can't keep it up much longer. I have never once flip flopped, and if you can show me where I have, please do.
I have consistently, you even chided me for it, repeated the same stance at least 10 times. You are the one labelling everything relative and absolute, I have only said that I, just me, just my opinion, see a difference between good and evil, and I have said that so many times I cannot bear to say it many more.

I do qualify certain beliefs I hold with the statement, I could be wrong.

It must be nice being infallible.

Pride goeth before a fall.......

 

What I did ... made no statement of my ethical judgement on the issue of raping little boys.

What you did ... made an assumption of my ethical judgement on the issue. From this, formed your opinion of my ethical judgement.

Your assumption is incorrect.

Or, you were being a smart-ass. Cute.

You must have misunderstood what I was saying. Your opinion on the issue is wrong. It lies on the evil side of the axis.

Get it?

Perfect illustration of my point.

This is exactly what this users parents are saying to themselves. For some reason, you don’t accept their opinion on the matter.

You gotta ask yourself why.

The answer, of course, is the dismantling of your foundation.

 

It is futile attempting to explain anything I hold as true to you. You just don't see the same things I do. I said that I see a difference as a direct reply to the statement that there is no difference. I replied that I see one. Get it?
You are great at finding contradictions, and I hope that somehow becomes useful to the challenges humanity faces. Somehow I doubt it will, since all it is is selfrighteous naysaying and criticizm that is not accompanied by any useful, or even not useful solutions.
If you dont think there is any difference, what the hell does it matter to you what I think?
I cant make you see one, so I totally do not see the basis for your endless criticism of MY beliefs.
I never said something could be absolute for me and not you, but now that you mention it, why the hell not?
Try looking for reasons to agree, commensurabilities, common ground, as it is far more useful than divisive nitpicking about how wrong someone else is, in your infinite wisdom.
It is far harder to find ways to agree, and maybe that is why you choose the easy route of endless, pointless, meaningless criticizm.

 

firstly....

It's not a question of whether or not I can defend what I believe in... the problem is, is that there's a constant need of my having to argue it. This is the barrier that I have to go through: My parents are so incredibly stubborn - it's their way or no way, and it's a difficult thing to get around. I know exactly who I am and what I believe, but it's difficult dealing with a family who chooses to treat you like the black sheep. Trust me, I hate having to constantly fight with my parents, it'd be a lot easier to be able to enjoy the time I spend with them...

 

secondly...

you're absolutely right, I don't have to defend my beliefs to you. The thing is, you're not the one I have to live with or deal with for the rest of my life, and in there lies the problem.

This is the thing: I'm being lectured and guilted in not going to church on sundays. My husband and I are planning on having children, and there's no bleedin chance they're getting baptised in any religion, they're going to be raised wiccan.

It's easy to not have to defend your faith when you're not called to do so, and in most instances, one doesn't have to. But in this type of situation, when you're being driven away from your peers and your family over a religious disagreement, that's where the problem is.

No one can control what they believe. Your faith is your faith, whatever it may be.

And lastly... this thread took a really strange and weird turn.... what the hell?

 

I totally sympathize. I hope that you and your parents can come to some mutually acceptable arrangement. Could they bear to abide by a rule not to discuss religion around you period? It sounds from your post that would be a big step for them.

My parents are devout atheists, and think I am a naive fool for being interested in spirituality. They have not seen the things I have, though, so I accept their stance. I just find it insulting at times.

I am sorry if I came across too strongly earlier.

 

well, that's the hard thing...

I've tried to get them to come to some kind of agreement such as that, not discussing religion or whatever.... not likely to happen any time soon, unfortunately.

 

It sounds like you are in a fix there. But its not uncommon, I suspect, for this sort of thing to happen. In my earlier post, I pointed out the nature of the situation as I see it - that things have changed, and many people are, to an extent, living in the past, when it was unheard of for people to follow any spiritual path but that of their parents and surrounding culture.

It seems unlikely to me that you're parents will come to accept Wicca, because it flies in the face of so much Catholic doctrine, and the nature of the church is exclusivist - in the end, many do think they are the only ones who have any true spiritual path.

 

There doesn't have to be common ground for people to be able to tolerate and respect eachother.