Why is heroin so scathed by even the most promising of recreational drug users?

Ahh, anecdotal evidence, (sigh)...
How heroin affects you personally is your fucking problem...Just because you have a problem doesn't mean it's impossible others can't take it with impunity.

In fact there are lots of heroin addicts that lead fully functional lives, you just don't hear about them. They are doctors, lawyers, University professors, Scientists, etc, they can afford thier controlled addictions and have discretionary sources of pharmaceutical heroin.

 

ive overused probably every opiate out there including heroin in tar form, and found no difference in the high from heroin compared to oxy. the difference for me is when smoking tar it hits you instantly. even when im snorting oxy it takes longer and the effects have a slower peaking curve. this made heroin more addictive to me personally. once you also realize that tar can have all sorts of disgusting shit in it and fucks your lungs up that makes heroin a more dangerous drug to me. now if your an iv user which i was not, im sure it would be even worse because it would hit you even faster and the nasty shit in the h would probably be worse because it goes straight into your bloodstream instead of heated and then passed through your lungs. and once you go too far down that hole you stop doing things in a clean way and get all sorts of infections
i dont think using pure h in a clean way is any worse than any other hard drug out there, its just that most h users dont do it that way, so it gets a bad rep.

so i try not to use h anymore just because its harder for me to stop and more dangerous because of the bacteria and other crap in it. while more expensive oxy is far safer route in my opinion. i still prefer fentanyl to absolutely anything else though

 

how to smuggle heroin from Afghanistan..

 

I dont know why people demonize it, its just another drug no matter how you put it. If you have done OC yo have done heroin, the buzz is almost exactly the same.
Crime will come with any addictive substance, wheter it be opiates, coke, meth, etc. You cant just say crime is all heroins fault, meth-amphetamine is probably one of the biggest problems out their today, but people will readily talk abou that before they would dope.
Alcohol and tobacco kill more people a year than od's, murders, aids, fires,natural disasters, and a few more combined. But since its legal I guess its ok for that many people to die. The biggest supporters for keeping drugs illegal is the alcohol/tobacco/pharm companies, if you could grow your own medicine or have othe recreational highs they would go broke.

 

I've been clean off of opiates for about 5 months now and am happy. If heroin was legal, I don't think I would be able to control myself. That is the nature of addiction as it pertains to me. The fact that it is illigal, and I can delete all hookups from my phone leaving me no means to acquire, helps me stay off it. I want to stay off it, so if i have to take a lot of steps to get some- it gives me a lot of chances to think about how fukt I got before and how maybe my life is better off without opies.

 

I think it's the association to needles and AIDS and death that most have.

I do not think this is a bad thing. Though, I do support the decriminalization of all drugs, there are few drugs that I support using.
I would like for crack, meth, etc. to have a similar reaction by casual drug users.

 

I don't even hear about crack users anymore, the world has become a boring place.

 

Trust me, crack is still around. I think through the decades the choice drug just keeps changing back and forth. For a couple years it was lsd, then heroin, then coke, then ecstasy,then back to lsd and coke, now back to heroin being on top along with pharms. Although Meth has been around since the 60's, it has grown exponentially due to its addictive-ness, and a home-lab being around every corner.
I think its just the times/trends that dictate what drug is demonized most. I dont believe drug use is any worse or better, there is just 10,000 new reporters and news stations looking for a 'scare you feel good story' to boost their ratings in this tv/internet era.

 

I am an ex-heroin addict, been clean 6 years. and It hasnt been easy the guy who said it was like coming off of an cold, is dead wrong. i had body sweats, and I got so hot, that I couldnt breathe, then freezing cold. I had excruciating pain in all my body. all over, even worse than normal. and I seriously thought I was going to die, and for someone with chronic pain that is saying a lot. I had serious problems and the doctors told me that I couldnt do it cold turkey bc myb ody might go into shock. I would say heroin withdrawals are the worst feeling next to giving birth without an epidural, and kidney stones. It was awful.

but I think heroin should be legal, along with all mind altering substance.s I would have gotten help so much sooner if I wasnt afraid of being caught with heroin and locked up. andI know many that would have gotten help if they didnt have to worry about 10 years in jail. It is an faulty system that makes it so no one can get better. I dont see any benefits from using heroin and this is from someone who did it everyday multiple times a day, it just made me lower than anyone. I am sure there a few that start it once and never try it again, but not many. I think any drug can be bad if you use it too much, but I dotn think those who do heroin are bad, or gross, etc. We all have our own coping mechanisms, and addictions. Anyone should have the choice to choose using any drug, but if the government made it legal those that try it,and want to get help could get help, without worry of prosecution. Those who are goign to try heroin are going to try it no matter what whether it is legal or not.

 

I agree 100%, dope is one horrible exp cold turkey. I had an almost 2 bun a day habit for a year straight, couldnt do cold turkey, went on a bupe program for a couple months.
I am not clean by any means, I still use about once a week but I dont let it get outta control, self discipline goes a long way for me personally. I never wanted to quite, I love opiates! I just didnt want to do so much, or withdrawal anymore. (plus I dont have to sell anymore, and thats a big plus).
And youre right, dope has no benefit, but neither does alcohol. Even though alky is legal, I believe its the worst drug out there, I cant count how many times I almost killed someone or myself from driving drunk, or doing something stupid. With dope, its zero!

 

Cause it's for junkies. Nobody likes junkies.

 

The stigma is that eventually, you're going to die. Other than that Heroin is totally safe.

 

A lot of it has to do with the image of the stereotypical heroin addict, which usually plays out in one of two ways: the homeless bum who's lost everything and continues to use, or the brilliant star who is loved by millions and suddenly dies of an overdose.

People who don't use drugs tend to base their entire opinion of drugs on these images, whether they be accurate or not. In many cases, heroin DOES lead to destruction and despair, but it rarely causes people to go batshit crazy, commit acts of violence or do other things that common LEGAL substances do. The main method of administration (IV) is also viewed as essentially dirty as well, since it's associated with infectious disease, loss of limbs and sudden overdose.

Heroin users' tendency to fixate on the drug and abuse it is largely to blame for its bad rep IMO. It attracts thrill seekers and those with a predisposition to addiction while scaring away everyone else, resulting in a disproportionately large group of irresponsible users. It is not routinely prescribed in most countries, so the "I got a prescription and ended up hooked" story doesn't stick. Its sole use is as a recreational substance, and many recreational users don't know how to regulate their use. A lot of patients don't either, but at least they have a doctor to warn them and monitor their use of a drug.

 

if heroin was legal it would be of far better quality and a fraction of the price compared to the street heroin available to most users... infact, i know a couple who are in their 70's who are lucky enough to be able to get a hold of quality heroin and they look more like they are in their 50's... but they no longer use it to get high... they use it to feel "normal"... it is a pain killer and a comforter, but you have to take increasing amounts if you want to get the high... most available heroin is absolute shit... many of my friends have died from accidently overdosing themselves... users are particularly vulnerable when they get out of rehab because they usually inject with what they used to inject with and as their tolerance has dropped, it kills them.... the ulcers, the lifestyle and the continuing reaching for that first high is what is so sad.... i have a friend who smokes it sometimes and she really has problems coming to terms with reality as it is.... so, no matter what way you look at it, heroin is a shit drug for long term usage...

 

There is a huge difference between what some people with lots of money and the right contacts can get hold of, and what 99% of people do when they go to buy heroin or such.

That is where the problem lays with saying that there is nothing wrong with heroin.

When some kid (maturity thing, not age), comes along and says, I'm going to go do some heroin, they have zero fucking clue what they are getting and unlike getting ripped off by buying some crappy weed, crappy heroin can kill you or fuck your life right up. Even if you knew for 100% sure that it was clean, unless you know for a fact what the dosage and quality of what you are getting, you are running huge risks with drugs like heroin.

Having said that, if they were decriminalized, then there could be controls and standards that a person could expect, and experimenting with things like heroin would be little different then anything else...

BUT WE DON'T LIVE IN THAT WORLD NOW.

 

There's still neighborhoods being destroyed by it over here (though meth is starting to take over, it seems)

 

tassy was 4deep, 4 car strong in the hood yesterday, but that was cause the last day of school.. I haven't see them out that full for crack dealers in a while..

 

I think all drugs should be decriminalized

 

i think it's the whole needle thing. being someone who has done heroin, even at steep doses, i can tell you that it's harder to od than you may think. sure, if someone with no tolerance to opiates takes a large amount, they could od. that's why it's important to know what dose is right and whats too much.

there is a serious stigma with needles because it gives the impression that one must hurt themselves to get high. but its never a problem when someone goes to the doctor and gets a shot or injects insulin for diabetes. if you're going to do heroin, get clean needles. the risk of disease terrifies me more than the possibility of ODing.

 

i like heroin. i like snorting it. i like the little bags it comes in.

i haven't done heroin in awhile. a lot of my friends aren't a fan of it, and don't like that i do it on occasion, but fuck their opinion because i do what i want.