Why i dont believe in JesusDiedforU

I'm sure you have campbell. It'll be ok. We'll get you a nice white padded room where they can't hurt you.

 

Well it may be love to you but to the God of the Bible its call sin. The bible teaches we are to love everyone but to hate the sin. Telling someone the truth is loving someone. Especially when it comes to their relationship with God. If you ever have an encounter with a demon you will see how they try to prevert God's natural order. Believe me, I experienced six months of this kind of activity.

 

you're such a turd. go back to your hole.

 

The devil can trick you into thinking anything he wants you to. Look at cults for example. All the false prophets convincing people to leave their families and homes and follow them into the middle of nowhere. In the end, they convince them to take their lives because they get these people to believe that they will finally be with the Lord. But, again, if they had the holy ghost, they would know the difference between right and wrong.

We have had this discussion on homosexuality for pages and pages in the Christian forum. As Christians, we love the sinner, but we hate their sin. I have friends who are saved and friends who aren't and I love them all equally.

What it boils down to is that the Lord said a relationship between two people of the same sex is detestable in his eyes. We didn't make the rules, he did. We just follow them.

 

That will never work, MagicMedicine. When attempting to communicate on a meaningful level with one who thinks differently from you, it is advisable to realign your mental matrix to one which is as close to theirs as possible (try to enter their reality), otherwise, you accomplish nothing. Telling someone who sees the world differently that they are crazy only serves to make them believe that you are crazy. It destroys your credability and renders your arguments worthless. The Socratic method of inquiry is the only method I know of that can effectively bridge the gap between one persons reality and anothers.

 

If only it worked with these people. Nothing works with these people. I've given up agruments. Now I will just have fun.

 

Ya know, I'm glad I never got into this thread, I would have confused so many lol

 

Here's a thought. Mr. Campbell, if you will start a thread in the Religion and Philosophy forums, I will happily meet you there. I would continue this discussion, if you are willing. I have my doubts concerning yur ability to defend your line of argument. This has nothing to do with the Christian religion in general, which I will not attack. If you can stomach the debate, I promise that I will freely admit that you are correct IF you can successfully defend your line of reasoning. The challenge intrigues me. Start a thread in those forums set aside for such converstaions, so as not to continue to arouse the ire of those who have no wish to be involved. I look forward to it.

I will no longer discuss this issue in the Random Thoughts forums. I think you will agree, we are no longer dealing with anything random. Let's show respect for those who post here and go elsewhere.

 

*BIG NOD* Thanks again for being a non-judgemental voice of reason...

By peaceful methods of discussion, we might further understanding between us all. Unless ya'll want to fight each until the end of time?

I personally prefer intelligent conversation to this:

Which does nothing productive, mind you.

 

Thanks. I think it's all about understanding. I try really hard to put myself in the place of a person I disagree with, or at least to get as close as possible. If you just continually butt heads and never give any ground, how can you ever make peace.

I suppose some people want to fight all the time. I so often see people stubbornly challenging others:
"Prove (insert whatever you want to fight about here) to me!"

Then, when someone takes them up on the challenge, they refuse to listen, deny every line of reasoning and often throw insults back as a reward for making an effort (or just as bad, the use circular reasoning to make their "opponents" chase around and around, never realizing that they are just wasting their time). Why would any reasonable human being do that? It makes me angry and I often find myself taking people to task for it.

I'd like to think that people who have different points of view can come to these forums to discuss them and learn from each other, understand each other's point of view, and try to find common ground. Most of the time, I don't get to see that happen, but when it does it is so gratifying! It warms my heart and gives me hope for humanity.

 

I got the point. Thanks. You can go now people.

I simply stated I had enough and I wasnt going to argue anymore, that was the point of that post. Thank you. I got tired of his "sins". He apparently lives in his own perfect world.

 

No I just got overpowered by Sodom and Gomorah.... hows that Babylon post in America Attacks going?

 

*SIGH* Dude, you don't have the point. You missed it entirely.

Besides, I know you can come up with something more eloquent than:

You're a smart person, and should work towards a peaceful society instead of undermining efforts to promote understanding. Essentially, when you do things like that, you're selling us all short of the acceptance and tolerance we all deserve to have.

 

I was at a gas station at 7 in the morning, just got off work, and a Jehovahs Witness came up to me. I'm sitting there trying to pump my damn gas and there's some asshole telling me about satan and that the world would still have violence without terrorists because satan exsists amongst us.

I do not have tolerance for religious people. Maybe those who can keep their mouths shut, but when you try and tell me I'm a sinner and I'm going to hell because of the way I run my life, we have problems. Don't force your religious views on me and I won't have a problem.

And you're right. The turd comment was childish. You'd be happier with it than what I would have posted though.

 

LOL! I don't doubt it!

Listen, I understand that it's annoying when Christians come up to you and try to tell you that you're going to hell. They aren't being good witnesses, and I can't stand people that go around pointing fingers and condemning people.

Try to understand that the Christian religion teaches that those who reject Christ as the Intercessor for their sins don't go to heaven... When I witness to someone, it's because I want them to have peace of mind; now and always.

People who witness to you are concerned for your best interests. (Even the Witness, I'm sure, although I don't agree with their beliefs.) And you can say that it's none of their business, but it's better to have people concerned about your well-being rather than not.

 

It's all good playa. And you're right, usually it is in the best interest. OK, this fourm can continue on it's regular scheduling.

 

Yaaay!

**Big Smooch for MagicMedicine**

 

it just took me 30 minutes to read a bunch of stuff that got absolutly no where...wow

anyways

 

It's a fact we are all sinners.... Leaving all the skepticism behind... accroding to the Bible all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.... EVEN CHRISTIANS SIN.... because no one is perfect. But the difference between a true Christian and a non-believer is a true Christian makes every attempt not to sin....

So again I know I am sinner .... leaving all skepticism behind...according to the Bible are you a sinner??

 

I've never been a sinner
I never sin
I have a friend in Jesus!

...heh!

But since my religion has no concept of sin, I never have to worry about that. I don't even suffer from original sin. I'm decended from the other people who lived in the world before Adam and Eve were made. No covenant with that jealous deity who lived on the mountain, hence no sin.