Why I don't argue/debate Christians anymore

In other words: The Christian God cannot have the attributes of omnipotence, omniscient, omnipresent and still be omnibenevolent.

I agree.

 

yes thats right, bit embarrassed you said it in a more elequent, descriptive manner . But if God created all, then I don't think we have free will and we are therefore pre-determined

 

lol...

 

You do understand the difference between ASM and C++, don't you?

Look at physical and spiritual (specifically the sense that one thought is bad and one is good) guidance from God as assembly language. If God tells you something (like a command), look at it as a higher level language.

 

i was just defining what would be true if God was all-powerful and created all, then there is no reason for God to command us, God had the power when creating for what ever outcome God wanted. Its like a chain affect, you create one thing with the knowledge of what will happen, everything therefore is self-determined by God, therefore the earth is a storybook that has already being written, the characters are not therefore free

I believe in God, just not the Christian God, and i am not sure yet, that the God who may communicate with humans, is the same thing that created everything.

 

I'd like to hear an explanation from one of the Christians about this.

If there is one....

(without quoting scripture if you don't mind)

 

Unless God likes to command us. You know, has fun talking to God's kids. Tellin' em stuff. Gettin' em all riled up. Makin their lives exciting, interesting, and fun.

Well. Yeah. Look at all the little stories that exist within the main book. Damn nigga, this shits base!

You have to understand one thing about creation. Creation exists because of God's focus upon it's existence. If God turned God's thoughts away from it, it would disappear. Things do not have independant existence. That 0xygen atom three inches to the left of your leftmost knuckle is there because of God's intent- it is not a creation that exists independant of God. If God stopped intending it to exist, it would seize to exist.

The idea of a physical universe is Maya (illusion), for this universe is simply a manifestation of God's will. If God's will no longer backed the universe, the universe will no longer exist. This is just the way it is. Of course, the universe has a pretty decent track record of God intending it to exist... 14 billion + years so far. Apparently someone cares about what they have made enough for it to exist that long, which is a good sign for all the little punks like me who want eternal life. If God can focus on so big a thing for 14 billion years, i think God can hook a little booger like me up for ~10 ^ 123 ^ 456 ^ 789 ^ 99999999 years +.

 

The stuff Epicurus calls evil is discipline. There is no reason to abolish discipline as long as there are children who need to learn. Of course, discipline does not always feel pleasant. How many people in jail want to spend their lives in prison?

100 lashes corrects a fools mind less than a soft whisper corrects the mind of the wise. The only way to become wise is to get 1000s of lashes. Then you start responding correctly. I know.

Epicurus is a dumbass

-- Kharakov
Punk in Drublic
1975- CE


Just wanted to show that anyone can quote a great philosopher. Although the philosopher I quoted is far cooler and wiser than the one you quoted.

 

A man sodomizes and kills a 13 month old girl.

What is the lesson in that?

Evil is evil, it serves no good purpose any more than good serves an evil purpose.

 

What happened to the man after he did this? Did the consequences or lack of consequences mold his mind? Does the very fact that he commited the act willfully teach the man a useful lesson about reality and himself? More importantly, seeing that it is possible to inflict pain on others, do you really desire too?

 

Fuck him, my focus is on the child and the child's family.

There is no cosmic lesson from god.

The guy has a mental problem (maybe chemical imbalance, maybe he's a sociopath as well as being a pedophile), he killed a child for pleasure and it's a tragedy that the family will have to live with.

No lesson, no purpose, no underlying current of spiritual or moral insight to tap into or puzzle pieces to fit together.

It just is.

 

What kind of response is that?

Religious (including so-called "spiritual") people always want to attribute some kind of life lesson to acts of evil when it can all be explained in secular and material terms.

Why does there have to be a lesson, why can't the act just be evil?

Holocaust(sp), 9-11, Columbine, why should they mean anything more than acts of evil be evil people.

THERE IS NO DIVINE LESSON.

And what kind Omnibenevolent being uses rape, murder, torture, despair, hatred and the like over 30,000+ years to prove a point.

Prove a point to who?

Free will my ass!

I'd rather be a fucking robot if it would spare the world from evil.

Fucking Religious Kooks!!

You know why it's 2005 and we still deal with this shit?
Because religious and "spiritual" people would rather indulge in mass self-delusion than to deal with and address the reality that is.

There is no heaven you stupid fucks, help fix the world that is!!!!!

To teach a fucking lesson???!?!!?

What utter fucking bullshit!

And then to use the "rolls eyes" shit like I just dont get it or something.....

Fuck it.

 

And another thing, people saying that their spiritual not religious doesnt mean shit!

You're still a self deluded fuck who rather belive in unseen supernatual bullshit like god, ghosts, heaven, karma and shit.

Pick up a fucking physics book and come back to reality.

Just as bad as those Dungeaons and Dragons idiots who think it's a big deal that they're a level 14 elf wizard.

Fucking idiots!

 

Shallow souls only see the surface, which is why they explain stuff in material/ secular "terms".

You don't.

 

My one friend used to harass me about having a heart of gold. The asshole..

 

It does mean something to them.

I believe in what I perceive. You believe in what you perceive. You are much less perceptive than me.

Physics is boring.

I agree with that it's not a big deal to be a level 14 elf magic user(er). It's a big deal to be a split class Irda Magic User / Cleric level 9/9 and above. A level 14 elf wizard is sorta lame.

The Irda gets a bonus spell (due to racial characteristics) of it's highest level in both classes. This is really awesome when you can cast 9th level spells, because you don't get many of them (at first). They get +2 to Int, Dex, and charisma with only a -2 penalty to constitution. They also have a natural shape change ability that allows them to take the form of other humanoids at will.
Anyone who plays a magic user of another race lacks knowledge, or they have a DM that does not allow the play of exotic races such as the Irda (which is a rare race on the planet Krynn- Raistlyn Majere slept with one once, I believe, she felt the magic within him and was attracted to his inner strength).

 

Are you being serious, or are you fucking with me?

 

Individual perception doesn't amount to shit.
You could be completely out of your goddamn mind.
If that is the case then you perceiving more would not be something worth bragging about.
Hell, when I'm stoned I percieve the weirdest shit, but my perception doesnt validate any of it.

Or are you going to tell me that reality is subjective and if it's percievable it exists, if not in the reality than in another?

if thats the case why buy into any mode of thought or belief process as anything and/or everything is at least temporarily valid and true.

i'm starting to get a headache....

 

Reminds my of that episode of South Park when the boys learn that there's no Tooth Fairy...