Why I don't argue/debate Christians anymore

Both.

 

This depends on the individuals perception.

I assure you, I am quite within my mind.

It was a statement of truth, not arrogance. Because of your arrogance, you do not perceive this.

It's different.

If I wanted to confuse you.

That is the confusion of not knowing the truth.

That is God poking your brain to discipline you. Eventually you will recognize the pain in your body and soul as God's discipline. When you are growing in the wrong direction, God will poke you.

Right now, part of your state of confusion is not recognizing where the pain comes from (God) and why you feel the pain (because God is letting you know that you are thinking incorrectly- incorrect thoughts are accompanied by the discomfort of discipline). When you use your body wrong, the body part you use incorrectly hurts. Similarly, when you use your soul wrong, your soul feels pain.

Eventually you will learn to respond to the discipline, learn to dismiss thoughts that are accompanied by pain as incomplete or incorrect. Eventually, you do not even need pain to accompany the thoughts, because you recognize their incompleteness or incorrectness due to wisdom you have gained by perceiving the truths God reveals to you through discipline. Pain provides your soul with structure- it is one of the forces that molds your personality and actions into something Good.

 

Assurance of your sanity?
How much is that worth?

A madman tells me he is not mad and i say okay?
The statements you make don't show you to be a sane person.

I know, it's all perception.

Unfortunatly, I don't take "spiritual" advise from anyone, let alone crazy people, let alone crazy people on the net, let alone crazy people on the net who do not recognize that they are crazy....

 

Or more likley it's from lack of sleep, a bad diet, and too much red bull.

But whatever floats your boat crazyman.

 

THE BLIND WILL LEAD THE BLIND, AND THEY BOTH WILL FALL INTO THE PIT.

 

Sorry, God created free will. God gave human kind the ability to choose good over evil. Man early on choose to do evil. Evil was a decesion man choose to do.
If God made man without that option, He would of created nothing more than robots.

 

but if God created free will then theoretically it isn't 'free', God defined it and had rules for said rule. So everything was self-determined from the start. I get stuck here with christianity because if God created all then therefore there is no such thing as free will in the real sense. God created the evil for people to choose, and God knew who would choose it before it happened.

So we are like robots, either that or God didn't create all, he created the universe but not what is outside, which means God would not be all powerful and everything
peacex

 

Why was important for god to have evil as an option?

I think robots would be preferably to billions burning for eternitity.

Since thus was all laid out from the begining of time, where is the room for freewill?

For example:

God decides to creates Steve.
God being outside of time and knowing everything past present and future is aware that Steve will choose the path of sin, die and go to hell.
Knowing Steve's eternal fate God creates him anyway.

Now, any individual decisions made by Steve between birth and death count for shit.

Predetermination.

Does God just not care?
Is his knowledge limited?
Is he subject to the laws of time and space?

 

The fact that Hell exist does not stop many from making the choice to go there. According to the Bible, most people will freely make the choice to go there. No, God did not create evil. Evil is created when man has a clear choice to do what is right, but then turns and does the oppsite. Man creates evil by the choices He makes. God created the universe, but gave man the ability to do good or evil. Evil is not a substance, but a decesion.

 

God being God knew what Steves decision would be, yet Steve had the same chance as everyone else. Yet, I have discovered that most people don't care about God, they really don't. And so when people tend to spit into God's face, many will try to blame God for their action. God is calling a people out of this world. He would love to have everyone come with Him, but most are not interested. God is looking for those, who are looking for Him. Only God know's who they are, and who will accept Him, and who will not. So as Christians we need to tell as many about Christ as we can. The one's who love Him will find Him. And the one's who have no intrest will spent their life searching for loopholes. God gave man free will, so man could freely choose the narrow path of salvation. Yet the Bible clearly states, ''that wide is the path that leads to distruction, and many their be, that go in there at.'' The only thing keeping man from God, is man's free will to oppose Him.

 

Fuzzy, this act has been on the road for 2,000 years. Yet in the end, and for many, it will not be that funny I fear.

 

You sidestepped the theological questions and told me god loves us and we just need to love him back.

This type of answer is what prompted my original post at the start of this thread.

Please try again.

 

I don't know how to make this any clearer. Humans Pro Create. God knows that many, if not most of these children will have no use for God. So these children who become adults, will reject God unto death. Die and go to Hell. God loves the human race, and has given man a way of escape through His Son Jesus Christ, but man in turn rejects God's gift of salvation, turns, and gives God the finger. End of story. I hope that answers your theological question.

 

It doesn't.

Let me make the questions more clear.

1. Before God created you (as an individual) did he know where you would spend eternity?

2. Did he know or was he aware of the personal everyday decision you would make throughout your life?

If no:
Why is God limited in such knowledge?

If yes:
How can God be considered a loving God having created a being that he knows is destined for an eternity in hell for the sin nature passed down from Adam? How is this still freewill?

 

Answers to 1 and 2 are both yes.

Answer to 3 is that humans have within them the biology to create human life. God knows all things, yet this does not limit what a person will do with his or her life. You think just because God knows, that controls the person actions. It does not. What a person does, what ever road he or shy may follow, it is their choice. God speaks to everyone's heart, and is always trying to get that person to seek Him, yet most people when it comes to God, have little intrest in Him. That is why in the Bible God states, that we should seek Him with all our heart, with all our soul, and with all our mind, and then tells us, that if we do this, we will surley find Him.

 

OK Fuzzy, here is Ian McCormacks story, he died went to Hell and came back.

http://www.aglimpseofeternity.org/testimony.htm

 

Well Fuzzy, you ask me to show you, and that is what I am doing, this account is from a doctor. And it's not from my Bible.

http://www.testimonies.com.au/topics/hell_experiences_1.htm

 

thats a great story, i can picture campbell so clearly staring, teary-eyed, at the text. The part where he says "God told me to read the Bible" totally ruins the whole story for me, but its ok.

 

Hears another story from Doctor Maurices S. Rawlings who is a cardiologist. He speaks of some of his patients experiences.
http://www.emjc3.com/helland.htm

 

Colours, heres one for you, this is about Howard Storm's Prof. of Art and a Avowed Atheist. After his desent into Hell, he is now a minister of the Gospel.
http://www.near_death.com/experiences/storm02.html