Why Feminism is Flawed

It's all hair and nails isn't it, I mean bottom line fashionability.

 

Wow, so I've been reading everything and trying to find out where I stand, but I find it difficult to place myself on either side of this coin, because I am very in the middle about sexism in general. Being in highschool, I deal with sexism everyday. Why though? it's 2010, our brains have evolved enough to know the physical differences between a man and a woman. Why must we pick apart the mental differences too? MEN WANT SEX. ok. so? your point being?? SO do women, we just aren't as open about it (we are becoming more open about it as the years progress however). And yet men are demonized, called pigs and Pricks because they voice their needs.

On the flip side of this, as has been mentioned quite a few times in this thread, women are scrutinized for sleeping with multiple people. Where does this end? You have to get at where it all starts!

Going back to me being in highschool, even nowadays I deal with sexism. I know a few guys, 17 or 18 years old, and they act as if they are god's gift to women everywhere. I hear this one guy in my AP comparitive govt. class call women "females" instead of women or ladies, carrying himself with an air of confidense I can only assume he aqquired by putting others "in their places". It makes me so angry to hear him so blattently put down my gender, because I have pride in it. I guess I'm another victim of the spice girl's "girl power" heroinism. When I asked this guy about why he speaks about women as if they are subserviant to men, he replied that it's the way things are supposed to be.

The root of all this sexist tipping of the scales of equality, is the past generations, the old ways of thinking are stil around, therefore sexism and feminism are still prevelant. This guy who was so rude to women, had no respect for men either, why?? Because back in the 20th century (oh so long ago :hat men were to make the money, bring home the bacon, and give it to their wives to cook for him and his offspring. Sooo cliche. Not only that, but it was a man's duty to make sure his fellow men were manly. This goes along with the already discussed issue of men pushing other men to be manlier. That guy I spoke to about his thoughts and why he acted the way he did, said it was what his father wanted, or rather, his dad wanted him to be tough, and to not take shit from anyone or be a "pussy".

To be fair, because I genuinely feel sexism isn't right on either side, I will admit as a woman that I don't feel peticularly attracted to men who are too feminine. We as women like a man who can listen though, and give feedback on our thoughts and opinions. We don't want a meat head ( this isn't including all women, soime prefer the MANLY MAN still) we just want someone who can protect and love us and appreciate us on the same level as we appreciate our man, or men in general.

Sexism is so gray, there are so many levels of intensity and prevelance that it may never fully disappear. Feminism is still around because sexism is still around, the two go hand in hand. My question and problem with this is that we shouldn't be scrutenized for our gender differences, we should applaud them! YAY being a woman! YAY being a man! We shouldn't be saying this for our own gender, but for eachother's genders. I think men are swell, they endure so much and care for us, and they are changing for the better, with the man's schema slowly turning into a more balanced scale. Women too are changing, becoming more confident in our abilities to make a huge difference in the world because we can.

Sexism stops when the old ways of thinking die out and people get with the here and now. Feminism will follow suit when sexism isn't so prevelant still.

Just my thoughts and opinions, hope I shed an unbiased light on feminism and where it's backbone stems from. :hat:

 

I feel like much sexism is based on the vanity of individuals or their struggle to get ahead. When women see that a man receives a promotion where she was equally qualified and receives no recognition, it could lead her to believe that the cards are stacked against her, which would make anyone feel angry, and naturally find a target for their anger. Although the issue is the boss who neglected his female employee it is not inconceivable that she might feel subconsciously indifferent to all men because it is natural to the the brain to categorize things based on appearance and other simple factors making sexism among the easiest injustices to participate in.

A boy who works with a girl on a homework assignment and then receives a lower grade might feel the same way even though the only difference may be how many cups of coffee his teacher had before they graded each paper!

 

Oscar Wilde said something along the lines of fashion/ stylebeing the only thing so abhorrent to mankind that it has to be reinvented yearly.

 

Tsukiko, our brains haven't evolved. The struggle is part of the growth.

 

No greasy heads, no dirty fingernails.

 

aw, shit! i'm fat, too. i've totally failed as a woman.

 

I relish the venus earth mother rotund.

 

i DO resemble the venus of willendorf quite a bit, minus the cool 'fro.

 

all your systems are belong to us.

 

Well this thread seems gotten a step further than most on the topic. Dialogue! I love it.

I must admit, sometimes it can be sorta confusing what is going on between the sexes. Whereas, I see a backlash of feminism driving common thought and liberal powers - I can also see where some might think women haven't overcome because their population isn't represented rationally in politics or high business.

I think there will always be some sexual issues - we're different but only sorta different but very different - and that leads to some clashing. There's never going to be a single sex, and that's a good thing. At the same time, gender roles will always be changing - and possibly because of some of our differences (whether bigger or smaller ones) gender roles may never go away.

We can still hope to eliminate society's assignment of those roles - but I don't think they will ever truly cease to be.

 

I agree with your view on gender roles. Personally, I think it's much more important (and doable) to learn to look past the roles we play and see the players.

 

i think feminism is needless, we should just look at each other as being of equal importance. why do women wish to be equal with men when they can control your average man just by use of their vagina or a beautiful flirtatious smile? even in the porn industry the women participants usually make more than their male counterparts do. i think feminism is just an excuse to hold a needless grudge against anything with a pecker.

 

Even!? I think those price differences merely reflect the differences society perceives as the value each gender is worth as a sexual object, I don't think this is exactly what the feminists of the past and present had in mind when they talk of equality.

 

Wollstonecraft feminism = a fight for equality of the sexes

modern feminism = proof that a matriachy would be every bit as bad as a patriachy

 

Is that really fair though? I think the problem with modern feminism is perhaps it means different things to different people (men included). From what I have learned on HF's many women identify as feminists in a struggle for equal consideration for both sexes, while others may be more like the modern feminist you describe as pro matriarchal.

So it seems to me, that the feminists that identify themselves because of their belief in an equal consideration for both sexes are being unfairly lumped in with those who consider themselves feminists because of their belief in matriarchy, which are two very different belief systems.

 

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=398591&f=51

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=399191&f=13

 

nope, it's not fair at all ..... wollstonecraft is probably spinning in her grave as we type... modern feminism is certainly not what she wrote about, or wanted to see in society

both the word and philosophy have been hijacked and bastardized to fit agenda's of those wanting a world far different from wollstonecraft wished

so no, it's not fair... but until the pro matriachy people (both genders) get enough backbone to drop the "feminism" badge and quit perverting it to fit into their own philosophy, that's how it'll be

 

So, because the pro matriarchs wont drop the title of feminism, you might as well lump all the other feminists in with them... even though you agree it's not fair?

 

yes. or until the feminists openly disassociate themselves from the pro matriachists ..... whichever happens first

most social and political movements have elements that use them to further their own agenda ..... most deal with them and they split, that's how society evolves, yet the feminists seem reluctant to point out their differing philosophies, even when they are yelled under the same banner