Why Doesn't The Left Get More Credit?

There were people like my grandmother...an isolationist really, a life long republican who told me never to forget that "ww2 got us out of the Great Depression, not FDR,."

The woman who would call her senator to complain about the US forgiving a debt to Egypt. She is a traditional conservative, the last thing she would want is the US sending soldiers without a very clear cut cause...she is a true, traditonal conservative, and she was totally against this current war.

I think thats what the rat is getting at when he talks about the difference between the old school conservatives and the neo-cons.

 

Patsy.

 

Left. Right. It's all bullshit. This is what you're not grasping. I am only after the truth. Terms like Left, Right, liberal and conservative only serve to distract and divide. You are getting too hung up on bogus labels.

Vietnam wasn't a "Left wing conspiracy." It was a war of the Global Elite. The Global Elite are neither Left or Right. But they use the Left/Right paradigm as a means to divide and conquer the bewildered sheeple.

You need to see behind the Left/Right paradigm, Skip, and then you will see that it's all controlled by the same people. The gatekeepers of the Left couldn't give two shits about you.

Like I have said already, I am neither Right or Left. I am only after the truth. But I can't stand the notion that it's the Left, and only the Left, out exposing the corruption. This is just such a pea-brained mentality to have.

 

What are you talking about? I am always acknowledging it. The American people are victims of mass mind control. However, it's simply your opinion that only the "conservative books" have re-written history. What the fuck is "conservative" anyway? I have a different view of what "conservative" is than the mainstream media and political establishment would have you believe.

So you're defending Clinton, who is every bit as much of a Nazi-globalist as the current stooge? Clinton wanted to cut the Pentagon's budget? Bullshit. Clinton passed one of the biggest pieces of anti-terrorist legislation - second to the fascist Patriot Act - following the 1995 attack on the Oklahoma City federal building. Why are you defending this elite criminal? Is it simply because he bares the "Democrat" moniker? Do you think Clinton cares about you? Do you think he cares about this country and its people? Has he ever once upheld the US Constitution? Clinton, like Bush and all the other puppets we call "presidents", are simply Elite goafers.

I don't think that's it. I think the American people are simply apathetic and couldn't care less. As long as they have their SUV's and cheeseburgers, why the fuck should they care about what's going on in the world? The system is set up to keep people dumb, happy and complacent.

 

This is one of the dumbest things i've ever heard ... if this were true, and those on "the right" truely felt this way ... why the hell would they be on the right? Don't try to sugarcoat your precious patriotism.

 

And this is coming from who? A 17 yr. old teenybopper, whose education derives from the dumbed-down, sovietized public school system and the Daily Show? I doubt you even read half of what I wrote. You simply jumped to a false conclusion based on one sentence.

"If they truely [I think you meant truly] felt this way ... why the hell would they be on the the right?" Wow, you must be Einstein's great granddaughter

"Don't try to sugarcoat your precious patriotism". What does that mean? Who said anything about patriotism?

 

Just so you know: I may be 17, but I can assure you that I am not a "teenybopper" (and I don’t watch the Daily Show, thank you very much). I may attend a public school, but I also happen to be taking (and paying for) advanced placement college courses, so don't judge my intelligence based on my age. I did read everything written in this thread ... however, I didn't feel the need to comment on every RIDICULOUS thing you posted, (EXCUSE ME, next time I'll be sure to that). And who the HELL died and made you knower-of-all? Don't you realize that the majority of those reading your ridiculous posts are simply shaking their heads at your ignorance, and moving on? If you're such a genius, and you know the answers to EVERYTHING, why the hell aren't you in the White House? Based on what you seem to think of yourself, you should be GOD by now! Hmmm? How about this one my dear Rat, (I love how you name so suites you, BTW), get over yourself. Do us all a favor, unplug your computer and give it to a “dumbed-down public school”, because we so OBVIOUSLY need it more than The Mighty Rat. Another piece of advice; listen to Skip. He’s got a little something called Common Sense, and that’s a book that you could use a page or two from.

 

the same man owns fox as who does a great many liberal news organizations, there is no left media, there is no right media, there is only rupert murdock, GE, disney, and ted turner......


look up the ladder, do not see the face, see the guts....

 

Just an aside here, Rat says

“I am neither Right or Left. I am only after the truth”

And i just want to comment that as far as I can tell that is an untruth

I’ve tried to debate with Rat on a number of occasions and I think that in every debate he has been disingenuous to the point that many would call it barefaced lying.

He claims to have answered criticisms when he very clearly hasn’t

He has claimed to put forward proof, when it was clearly only supposition innuendo and opinion

He claims to be political independent when he is not

These are just a few of his ‘truths’, in fact the only ‘truth’ that we can say about him so far is that he is a right wing libertarian with a predilection to, often wild, conspiracy theories.

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Some have called him a liar but I’m not so sure, I think he might be delusional or a right wing dissembler who gets his jollies disrupting a ‘liberal’ forum.

But there is a question that should answer that. If he is delusional he will not be able to answer it because it would mean he couldn’t carry on playing at being the hero in his own little fantasy. On the other hand if he is a right wing disrupter he will have no real answer because that would mean making constructive comment.

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So Rat I will ask you once more –

What do you want us to do?

You don’t have to answer here I’ll bump up the thread “Pushing conspiracy theory? Why?”.
http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103731&page=1&pp=10

But please Rat no more talk of your search for ‘truth’ until we can be sure you actually understand the meaning of the word.

 

Oh skip if you are going to be the defence can I play the prosecutor?

I have a lot of evidence of Rat’s dishonesty that I can bring to the court.

As to his intelligence I and I think others should reserve judgement since in my opinion he has run away from any debate in which it might be tested.

To me since his whole world view is based on right wing libertarian thinking and the belief that Jewish bankers control the worlds shadow government, I would have to ask what bits of this theories you think make sense?

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As to the topic I agree with rangerdanger

I said something similar in the thread
The President lied to start war
http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19321&page=1&pp=10

 

being part of the Left can be a big pain sometimes...... Many people that consider themselves on the left, often reserve their harshest langauge for their compatriots..... This adds a feeling of isolation within an already scattered movement... What the left really needs is defined goals, especially short term