Why does Israel keep making peace negotiations with terrorist governments?

They have no intention of doing that for the reasons I've already mentioned in this thread. In the end, if things continue the way they are, there will be no land divide.

 

so to repeat my opening statement here today..."I cannot take a side here......."

either, noxious......

 

Sure, whatever you choose to spend your time doing is fine with me. It won't change my view of how I spend my time though. And the facts on the ground say that the Jews aren't being persecuted by anyone but are the persecutors.

And it doesn't go unnoticed that you are already attempting to frame the conversation as 'hate rhetoric' coming from me. It was expected.

So here's some rhetoric that surely rises above 'hate rhetoric'. Modern day Jews living in all countries of the world seem to be doing just fine. Or more to the truth, doing better than just fine. For some reason, be it a knack for commerce or a leg up by receiving preferential treatment from their fellow Jews, they are excelling amongst other non-Jews. None of us begrudge them that as long as they don't act in ways that infringe on our rights and freedoms as citizens. I can't say that they do but I can say that it appears that the last description you could use to describe them is downtrodden and persecuted?

Maybe you're just going to have to resort to dredging up 70 year old history after all pal. Or just continue to shut up as you have promised?

 

I find it very encouraging when people need to claim that they don't take a side. It's because it exceeds the limits of credibility to side with the Zionist regime of Israel because it's become so obvious that they are on the side of wrong.

So instead of having to compromise their indoctrination principles they pretend to side with neither. Siding with the side of right is unspeakable!

It's a start though!

 

I have always had a habit of siding with those being bullied and abused. I have no tolerance for that shit.

 

There are lots of decent people who feel just the same way you do. That's the reason why it's become essential for the Zionists to make it appear that they are the little guy and the downtrodden and the mistreated.

the problem with that phony narrative is, they aren't! They're the nuclear armed nation and the nation that could quite handily defeat any ME Arab nation with even their conventional weapons. They're the side that Isn't suffering casualties in this current war against the Palestinian people.

So now I ask you, what the fuk's wrong with this picture the Israel apologists are trying to paint for us? Why are they so intent on dredging up ancient history from the bible, of which much if not all is invented bullshit?

 

You're preaching to the choir. And without going back to reread it all....I don't think NG was saying anything in the bible justified what's going on today as much as he was making the case that the dispute went back to biblical times. Then there was a tangent about the validity of the bible as a historical text.

 

Is the licence to Kill a Jihad, or opposing this licence to Kill which was assigned from the government a Jihad? Is that your question, Moonglow. Everyody knows the Jihadists are excused by the west for the religious reasons.

 

What the hell are you talking about? We only excuse the ones we deem useful to us. We send drones after the rest.

 

And you think that dredging up bullshit from the bible which may or may not be factual, isn't just his attempt to paint the Zionists as the poor downtrodden side that is only defending itself? LOL

Think what you like, he's the one that has to either ignore my comments or deal with them. Personally I don't care how deep he wants to step in it. Facts are against his 'personal' mission.

I don't expect anything from him that is more hurtful and rude than just another accusation of me being a jew hater or the equivalent standard comeback.

And hey pal, if I'm wrong then what harm is done. If I'm right then I've at least done my part in exposing his bullshit Zionist apologist lies.

Next?

 

Did I say that? Did I say I believed in killing anyone ever? I am talking about civilians just trying to live their lives the best way they know how and small children dieing and suffering there....they are the innocent victims. Not everyone in Palestine is Jihjad, are they? If so, that is news to me.

 

The real question is moonglow, how long can you feel comfortable and contented with yourself by pretending that you can just refuse to take sides?

If you saw a child killed by a fellow American with a gun, could you just refuse to take a position against the killer. I'm beginning to think that you just may be! You appear to have the ability to rise above it all!

What a lucky American you are!

 

You seem to make one logical post and then follow it by something like this. Don't assume I think anything besides exactly what I post. I usually choose my words and topics wisely as to avoid this sort of bullshit. I said that I didn't think NG meant his posts in the way you took them. You can take the rest of that shit up with him.

I've been reading your posts with interest as you seem reasonably smart but also seem to look for adversaries. I applaud your logical posts but then wonder why you seem to want to be adversarial to someone like Moonglow181. She's strikes me as one of the nicest people around here but you seem to be looking for a debate and willing to turn anything into something you can call someone out on.

You are free to do that for as long as you want (or until a mod shuts you down) but there are decent people here and you might get what you give. I just try to be nice and hope people treat me in the same way. Do as you will.

 

Then you deserve an explanation. My post was meant to elicit a reaction from NG, not from you. And I'll stick with my suspicion that he's attempting to defend Zionist crimes against the Palestinian people by dredging up bullshit bible history about imaginary boogeymen who persecuted jews thousands of years ago. Do you require any further explanation on that one?

As for Moonglow, I'm sure she considers herself a good person and I'm not going to say much against her. But I'm not going to allow anybody to pretend that sides don't need to be chosen in some circumstances and to not do so is less than human in my opinion. I just need her to know how I feel about that and she can deal with it in any way she pleases. As for your suggestion that I've stepped over some bounds, I think that all I've done is make her conscious of her choice to not take a position and the fact that it's a less than honest and desirable position to take.

If I'm posting on a forum in which it's a crime to hurt somebody feelings then I probably wouldn't be long for this one anyway. I was sort of hoping that I had found a forum where everyone could rise above that. Mostly because it's certainly got itself a more 'liberal' bent than the usual drivel.

Does that satisfy your concerns?

 

Why do you think she should give a fuck about what you think? You "just need her to know"...what? Like I said...I happen to agree with a number of your posts but maybe you should try to take the friendly approach rather than aggressive approach.

 

Actually I would hope that she's her own person enough to not be bothered by what I think. That would certainly tell me a lot about her that I care to know about.

I'm glad you agree with a number of my posts. Don't let the small points on how I conduct myself on this forum detract from that. And anyway, what I say that you don't agree with will become your problem to sort out for yourself, not mine. You see, I say what I mean and I don't fuk around trying to save somebody some hurt feelings. I hope that I do that within the rules of this forum but if I don't then I appreciate somebody bringing it to my attention. You will do, but try to make it explicit and understandable, not just a non-specific charge.

Hey, maybe we should wait and see how she reacts to it all. She may have fallen into agreement with me on the necessity of taking a position against evil? And I hope she doesn't take any more offense to what I said than what it was meant to be. Just a challenge to step forward and stop waffling on such an important matter.

 

The difference between you and me is that I do care about peoples feelings. I'm capable of making points in a way that doesn't always seem aggressive and confrontational. Do whatever you want. That's on you. I'm only trying to help you but what you post is up to you.

 

Thanks for your offer of help. You're probably going to find me confrontational at times and her non-committal attitude is just the sort of thing that gets me off on it. Actually, I think you've made too much of an issue over it now and you should just wait for a more opportune time to speak up and question my attitude. There's sure to be one coming soon. I have a really bad attitude towards US support of theat Zionist apartheid regime and I'm going to at least attempt to air that here on this forum. Frankly, I would be quite surprised if it's allowed to go on for anymore than a few days though. So don't sweat it, it'll most likely be taken care of for you in a manner you'll find satisfying.

As for me caring about people's feelings, I do. But real life situations and circumstances trump feelings with me. For example, I just can't accept that somebody, be they a lonely housewife or a political junkie, should be allowed to go unquestioned on such an important issue.

And look, besides that, this is the political section of the forum and if somebody can't stand the heat then they should probably get out of the kitchen.

I really don't feel that I've stepped over the bounds of what is to be considered politics and political opinion. I think you're overreacted to what I said.

And once again, thanks for your offer of help, if indeed that's your intent.

 

WHAT? If I saw a person here killing a child, I would not condone it. WTH are you talking about?
I do not live in Israel or Palestine......so it is easy to play armchair anaylist here for everyone , isn't it? My stance is not taking sides in the matter. I was not there to see and experience all of the truths....aren't we all mostly lucky to be not in any combat zones at the moment like that?

From where I sit......blood shed is not the right way for anyone......so if not declaring a side about over there means I am rising above it, then I guess that is what I am doing....
Now, if I was in the heat of the battles over there, I might feel differently.....right?