Why does everyone believe in conspiracy theories nowadays?

Mzzls

 

This little round all started with a post from @scratcho that is 500% wrong

I rebutted his propaganda post with the REAL THING!
OFFICIAL TOP SECRET RECORDS!

Nice conspiracy theory you people thought up!

The final solution was developed in an office.

It would be refreshing to see you people post a few facts for a change!

HERE IS THE REAL FINAL SOLUTION!

Secret Reich Matter!
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Protocol of Meeting.
I.
The following persons participated in the meeting on the final solution of the Jewish question,
held on 20 January 1942 at Am Grossen Wannsee 56-58, Berlin: Gauleiter Dr Meyer and Reich Department Head Dr Leibbrandt Reich Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories
State Secretary Dr Stuckart Reich Ministry of the Interior
State Secretary Neumann Office of the Plenipotentiary for the Four Year Plan
State Secretary Dr Freisler Reich Ministry of Justice
State Secretary Dr Bühler Office of the Governor General
Undersecretary of State Luther Foreign Office
SS-Oberführer Klopfer Party Chancellery
Ministerial Director Kritzinger Reich Chancellery


- 2 -
SS-Gruppenführer Hofmann Race and Settlement Main Office
SS-Gruppenführer Müller Reich Security Main Office
SS-Obersturmbannführer Eichmann
SS-Oberführer Dr Schöngarth Security Police and Security Service of the SS (SD) Commander of the Security
Police and the Security Service of the SS (SD) in the General Government
SS-Sturmbannführer Dr Lange Security Police and Security Service of the SS (SD)
Commander of the Security Police
and Security Service of the SS (SD) for the
General District Latvia, representing
the Commander of the Security Police
and the Security Service of the SS (SD)
for the Reich Commissariat Ostland.

II. SS-Obergruppenführer H e y d r i c h , Head of the Security Police and the SD, opened the
meeting with the announcement that the Reich Marshal had put him in charge of preparations for the final solution of the Jewish question. He noted that this conference had been convened to clarify fundamental questions.

The Reich Marshal’s request to be sent a draft regarding the organisational, technical and material aspects of the final solution of the Jewish question requires that all of the central agencies directly involved with these questions address them jointly in advance in order to align their activities.

The authority for directing the final solution of the Jewish question rests with the Reichsführer SS and Head of German Police (Office of the Head of the Security Police and the SD), regardless of geographical boundaries.

https://www.ghwk.de/fileadmin/Redaktion/PDF/Konferenz/texte/English_translation_wannsee_protocol_2020.pdf

Here is the original German version: https://www.ghwk.de/fileadmin/Redaktion/PDF/Konferenz/protokoll-januar1942_barrierefrei.pdf


Long story short the FINAL SOLUTION consisted of NOTHING MORE than extraditing the Jews out of Germany.

But you are all posting great conspiracy theories for us!

(Why does everyone believe in conspiracy theories nowadays?)

The question is WHY DO YOU BELIEVE IT?


After I ask why @Tish and @scratcho believe in conspiracies, since they have no material evidence in support of their claims Tish responds with the psychological reason they persist in their beliefs in something they fail miserably to prove!

Again I ask why they believe in this conspiracy against Jews, it appears Tish is telling me in his citation that these believers are all Narcissists.

I guess believing in something with no supporting material evidence equates to narcissism?

They do seem to enjoy trolling me but I take a different approach, trolls need to feed too!

They troll because this has become their religion.

They want to believe and no amount of hard material evidence to the contrary will sway their opinion even the slightest.

Its no different than trying to convince someone who believes in God that their evidence does not support their position, they remain completely unmoved.

Me on the other hand I neither agree nor disagree, I am the skeptic, its their claim that its true, its their burden of proof. I remain in a position of convince me.

Like belief in God all they have given me is lots of people that are believers in the holocaust and like belief in God lots of people are believers God and Im so sorry that simply does not make it true.

So far I remain unconvinced their story is true since they cannot produce so much as one little smidge of hard evidence to support their case.

Apparently they consider themselves narcissists for believing in conspiracy theories based on their claims as seen above as I have just proven with official top secret German documents the final solution was nothing more than extradiction from German territories.

Trolls are welcome here! No one should starve! I am more than happy to feed you all! Plenty to go around

 

Ok. You win. I concede. At your insistence, I now realize Germany was a very benevolent society which cared for all citizens, did not murder jews or anyone else, only participated in two world wars because they were wantonly attacked by other nations, Adolph Hitler was a misunderstood and great leader of all German citizens, and I admit the stories the jews have made up about being gassed, mistreated and confined to ghettoes, jewish businesses closed, etc,etc, is all bullshit. You have taught me a lesson I will not soon forget. Thank you so much. Done.

 

No I didn't win anything!

If I decided the Holocaust was not real and arguing that it's not real then I may have won something but that's not the case here.

My arguments here are based in the failure to look at the hard material evidence.

Lots of people claim extermination in the sense of killing not the sense of deporting, and when I looked at the official German documents there was nothing said whatsoever about killing anybody all they said and organized was deportation.

The problem I have with that is that when people want to take it one step further and claim that it was not deportation now they just created a conspiracy theory because there's no material evidence to back that up.

On the other hand the material evidence clearly unequivocally states deportation is the final solution, not murder.

In fact Hitler as you said made ghettos anybody over 65 they were going to take care of, I get the impression it was a form of social security. No one has claimed gas chamber deaths in the ghettos.

So no I didn't win anything there's nothing in this horse race for me to win.

The only thing I insist on is looking at actual evidence, I've posted plenty and all I've gotten in return so far here is the opposite, ignoring the evidence.

The German people didn't want that war, what was Hitler supposed to do?

The Polish slaughtered nearly 50,000 Germans within the Polish borders after the treaty of Versailles split Germany into pieces.

The Polish hated Germans so bad they just killed him on site rape them all kinds of really atrocious things. I could list all the things they did but it's absolutely disgusting.

No one can say exactly what happened to start world war I because there are many things in play at the same time but the trigger was the assassination of the archduke Ferdinand.

However world war 1 definitely lead to world war II as I said because of the treaty of Versailles which was designed to literally cripple Germany. There was mass unemployment and starvation.

Truth of the matter is we Jews declared war on Germany and levied a boycott against all German goods shutting down German businesses all over the world, and I'm sorry but can we expect Hitler to give us all luxury suites at the Hilton?

Insofar as concentration camps or ghettos goes, America put all the Japanese, citizens of good standing, that supposedly had constitutional rights into a United States run concentration camps.

Likewise after the war that is world war II Eisenhower put the Germans both military and civilians indiscriminately in concentration camps called them all criminals and they had to sleep out in the elements in their own excrement and worse Eisenhower gave orders not to feed them! Anyone that tried was shot!

Eisenhower single-handedly murdered well over a million Germans due to male treatment in a very short period of time.

There's a big difference between someone ordering soldiers not to feed prisoners and keeping them outside then somebody who had all the medical supplies and food bombed to smithereens destroying it all again the US.

Maybe it's just me but I don't think it's fair to blame somebody for that if they don't have the food and the medical supplies because someone else destroyed them how can they possibly pass it on to the prisoners.

If there's an indisputable war crime here it's Eisenhower because he had food supplies and he refused to give it to the prisoners and he refused to let the Red Cross give their food supplies to the prisoners.

I don't care who the prisoners are that is 100% inhumane and despicable on every level.

There's only one lesson to be learned here and that is don't believe anything they tell you.

 

Now back to @Tishes 'conspiracy theory'.

I'd still like an explanation why you believe in conspiracy theories, or do you have some material evidence to the contrary that you'd like to share with us? Official adversarial depositions work well that include some level of cross. If I review it and the correct questions are asked I will concede, just that easy. bodda bing bodda bang!

 

Lets see, I prove their narrative is false (the scratcho video claims) by citing official documents demonstrating that they are in fact false and are therefore THEY in fact are spreading disinfo, and you turn the meaning of court admissible evidence around because it does not fit your narrative.... wow what a blow to 'truth'!

After my citations any reasonable person at a minimum would be forced to logically agree that your narrative is highly suspect.

Of course if you are anywhere in Europe you have no choice and have to say that so they dont throw you in jail....

Anytime someone wants to cite traceable 'hard material evidence', or certified adversarial depositions to the contrary, I will happily concede to the evidence and agree with your narrative.

Until then its clear the best you have is name calling.

Nineteen Eighty-Four - Wikipedia

 

Sarcasm -----403

 

Chat gpt gone mad?........lol



Happy early weekend(kingsday )

Mzzls

 

Don't know what to believe anymore. So I wait to hear something that sounds utterly ridiculous. that people come up with, just to see what some will believe. like cheese comes from the moon.

 

I think there’s a bunch of reasons. At some level, some of them at least, they’re fun. There’s also a few once in a while that turn out to be true. It’s a low percentage but it’s not zero. I think we’re week as a nation on digital literacy. We do a poor job in general at evaluating sources and arguments. We’re also way more attached to our party or even certain demagogues than we are to our values. That leads to being susceptible to conformation bias

 

Throughout the thread everyone has seen me respond with "1984". I doubt that can be appreciated by the people I responded to, and those what never heard of it, its doubtful they had any idea of why I would say such a silly thing in the first place. George Orwell wrote a book called 1984. He replaced the names of real cities with fictional ones and used that theme to reference reality and the future.


In the dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four (1949), by George Orwell, the word Thoughtcrime describes a person's politically unorthodox thoughts, beliefs, and doubts that politically contradict the tenets of Ingsoc (English Socialism), the dominant ideology of Oceania.

In the official language of Newspeak, the word crimethink describes the intellectual actions of a person who entertains and holds politically unacceptable thoughts; thus the government of The Party controls the speech, the actions, and the thoughts of the citizens of Oceania.[1]

In contemporary English usage, the word thoughtcrime describes the personal beliefs that are contrary to the accepted norms of society; thus thoughtcrime describes the theological practises of disbelief and idolatry,[2] and the rejection of an ideology.[3]

In the story of Nineteen Eighty-Four, the Thinkpol (Thought Police) are responsible for the detection and elimination of thoughtcrime, and for the social control of the populations

Such psychological monitoring allows the Thought Police to detect, arrest, and kill thought criminals, citizens whose independence (intellectual, mental, and moral) challenges the political orthodoxy

The mind should develop a blind spot whenever a dangerous thought presented itself. The process should be automatic, instinctive.

Funny sometimes how fiction stories become our reality!

Thoughtcrime - Wikipedia

Soon I will post an orthodoxy test, a little experiment for those who made me the topic by calling me so many names (ad hom/strawman pejoratives and insults) to avoid discussing the actual topic under review

 

why am i quoted in this response?

 

because I agree with much of what you said and expanded upon it, also demonstrating it and its expansion to hilight and show a few attitudes seen here.

That and its a super good read for the orthodoxy.

https://www.goodreads.com › book › show › 40961427-1984
1984 by George Orwell | Goodreads
1984 George Orwell 4.19 4,197,595 ratings101,570 reviews Want to read Kindle Unlimited $0.00 Rate this book Among the seminal texts of the 20th century, Nineteen Eighty-Fouris a rare work that grows more haunting as its futuristic purgatory becomes more real.

 

I remember that book from middle school

 

The current gop is run by dim-witted ideologues who prop up any BS to fight a culture war they don’t even realize is already lost. Some of them are unapologetically bigoted and stupid while the best of them can only muster Ayn Rand’s dollar store writing as a philosophical defense for their abject greed and selfishness. The right doesn’t own the concept of made up stupid shit though. Bill Clinton has his “great right wind conspiracy theory.” In the last administration the left fabricated the Steele Dossier and tried to paint Tulsi Gabbard as a Russian operative. The right is winning the intelectual race to the bottom but it’s not because the (center) left isn’t trying

 

I'd say that 1984 aptly describes a number of countries in existence today, namely Russia,China, Iran, North Korea and others. It applies here but not nearly as much as the aformentioned countries. In the rush to eliminate liberal democracy, the right is succeeding by the use of gerrymandering and other methods of attempting to deny voting rights to segments of the voting populace. A country that steals land from other countries, (Mexico) virtually incarcerates its indigenous population, elects a narcissistic liar that thinks a lifetime president ( namely himself)would be a good idea, nominates liars and sexual assaulters to its highest court, tolerates the fact that there are people starving (including many children), while idolizing and allowing there to be billionaires, allows it's citizens to be assaulted and killed daily by weapons of war ,has a history of stealing generations of people from Africa for enrichment, is not exactly a shining example of high moral authority. To what extent that we are subjected to outright bullshit is sometimes easily determined and at other times not so much.

That I can get in my vehicle and drive anywhere I want without having to show papers, that I can call a politician a no good motherfucker---without having to worry about being killed or incarcerated for a long period of time, that I can start a business and become successful --means a lot to me. My family has pretty deep roots here and and we are here because ancestors braved the unknown in ships and then covered wagons to get where we are here in the west. With all our past and present faults as a country and a people----I love it here and I am hoping that this era of disaffected citizenry and upheaval will pass into history and that we can look back on this short stretch of it as a glitch --a straying off the path of the idea that we the people--will right the ship, as it were , and become the country of promise--the country where dreams really can come true--FOR ALL OF US.