Why does everyone believe in conspiracy theories nowadays?

Re that satement by Bruno Baum, it all turns on what he meant by "propaganda" back in the 1940s. Strictly speaking, "propaganda" can include the spreading of true information. The title of the 1949 book is "We inform the world" and the first sentence reads :'in those days we foiled the intentions of the political department by making their plans public." When Pope Gregory XV founded a Vatican congregation dedicated to spreading the Gospel: Propaganda Fide and the Catholic Church maintained an Office of Propaganda Fide in the Vatican, they were not confessing to spreading lies, although some might have their suspicions.

 

So then are you suggesting we believe all this nonsense?





This has all been long proven to be 100% BS! Anus gas pumps?

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But he didn't, did he? No. As mentioned, he was prosecuted and heavily fine in 1991. And on appeal in 1992, he fared even worse! How did that happen?

 

It's been fun, but I have to run. You obviously have a lot of time on your hands, and conspiracy theories have consumed your life. I have a wife, a family, a job, and a life. There have been enough books spreading conspiracy theories that I'm sure you have enough ammunition to keep you stocked with specious arguments for years to come. You can share them with your new troll friend or the next sucker who comes along. Ultimately, nothing is certain, not even that, and distinguishing fact from fiction is a matter of good judgement. I find yours lacking, but of course that's my opinion. Ciao.

 

Well put. As my Dad used to say, you can't win an argument with an ignoramus. it's like playing whack-a-mole.

 

Here lets take a look:

Sure and lets take a closer look!:

I disagree. You bailed because you have no material evidence to offer to defend your claims. Tish will bail as well for the same reason.

Below is a good example why people believe in conspiracy theories, because they are all too often TRUE.

More Holocaust Denial Fun!
"The Changing Death Toll of Auschwitz"​

From this source (I don't want to give it the clicks): Ever-Diminishing Official Numbers Of Auschwitz Dead

9,000,000

Source: Cited by the French documentary, Night and Fog, which has been shown to millions of school students worldwide.

8,000,000

Source: The French War Crime Research Office, Doc. 31, 1945.

7,000,000

Source: Also cited by the French War Crime Research Office.

6,000,000

Source: Cited in the book Auschwitz Doctor by Miklos Nyiszli. It has since been proven that this book is a fraud and the "doctor" was never even at Auschwitz, even though the book is often cited by historians.

5,000,000 to 5,500,000

Source: Cited in 1945 at the trial of Auschwitz commander Rudolf Höss, based on his confession which was written in English, a language he never spoke.

5,000,000

Source: Cited on April 20, 1978 by the French daily, Le Monde. Also cited on January 23, 1995 by the German daily Die Welt. By September 1, 1989, Le Monde reduced the figure to 1,433,000.

4,500,000

Source: In 1945 this figure was cited by another witness at the aforementioned Höss trial.

4,000,000

Source: Cited by a Soviet document of May 6, 1945 and officially acknowledged by the Nuremberg War Crimes trial. This figure was also reported in The New York Times on April 18, 1945, although 50 years later on January 26, 1995, The New York Times and The Washington Post slashed the figure to 1,500,000 citing new findings by the Auschwitz Museum officials. In fact, the figure of 4,000,000 was later repudiated by the Auschwitz museum officials in 1990 but the figure of 1,500,000 victims was not formally announced by Polish President Lech Walesa until five years after the Auschwitz historians had first announced their discovery.

3,500,000

Source: Cited in the 1991 edition of the Dictionary of the French Language and by Claude Lanzmann in 1980 in his introduction to Filip Muller's book, Three Years in an Auschwitz Gas Chamber.

3,000,000

Source: Cited in a forced confession by Rudolf Höss, the Auschwitz commander who said this was the number of those who had died at Auschwitz prior to Dec. 1, 1943. Later cited in the June 7, 1993 issue of Heritage, the most widely read Jewish newspaper in California, even though three years previously the authorities at the Auschwitz museum had scaled down the figure to a minimum of 1,100,000 and a maximum of 1,500,000. (see below).

2,500,000

Source: Cited by Rudolf Vrba (an author of various fraudulent accounts of events he claims to have witnessed at Auschwitz) when he testified on July 16, 1981 for the Israeli government's war crimes trial of former SS official Adolf Eichmann.

2,000,000

Source: Cited by Leon Poliakov (1951) writing in Harvest of Hate; Georges Wellers, writing in 1973 in The Yellow Star at the Time of Vichy; and Lucy Dawidowicz, writing in 1975 in The War Against the Jews.

2,000,000 to 4,000,000

Source: Cited by Yehuda Bauer in 1982 in his book, A History of the Holocaust. However, by 1989 Bauer revised his figure to 1,600,000.

1,600,000

Source: This is a 1989 revision by Yehuda Bauer of his earlier figure in 1982 of 2,000,000 to 4,000,000, Bauer cited this new figure on September 22, 1989 in The Jerusalem Post, at which time he wrote "The larger figures have been dismissed for years, except that it hasn't reached the public yet."

1,500,000

Source: In 1995 this was the number of Auschwitz deaths announced by Polish President Lech Walesa as determined by those at the Auschwitz museum. This number was inscribed on the monument at the Auschwitz camp at that time, thereby "replacing" the earlier 4,000,000 figure that had been formally repudiated (and withdrawn from the monument) five years earlier in 1990. At that time, on July 17, 1990 The Washington Times reprinted a brief article from The London Daily Telegraph citing the "new" figure of 1,500,000 that had been determined by the authorities at the Auschwitz museum. This new figure was reported two years later in a UPI report published in the New York Post on March 26, 1992. On January 26, 1995 both The Washington Post and The New York Times cited this 1,500,000 figure as the new "official" figure (citing the Auschwitz Museum authorities).

1,471,595

Source: This is a 1983 figure cited by Georges Wellers who (as noted previously) had determined, writing in 1973, that some 2,000,000 had died.

1,433,000

Source: This figure was cited on September 1, 1989 by the French daily, Le Monde, which earlier, on April 20, 1978, had cited the figure at 4,000,000.

1,250,000

Source: In the book, The Destruction of the European Jews, by Raul Hilberg (1985).

1,100,000 to 1,500,000

Source: Sources for this estimate are Yisrael Gutman and Michael Berenbaum in their 1984 book, Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp. This estimate was later also cited by Walter Reich, former director of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, writing in The Washington Post on September 8, 1998. The upper figure of 1,500,000 is (the new) "official" figure as now inscribed at Auschwitz, with the earlier figure of 4,000,000 having been removed from the memorial at the site of the former concentration camp.

1,000,000

Source: Jean-Claude Pressac, writing in his 1989 book Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers. This is interesting since he wrote his book to repudiate so-called "Holocaust deniers" who were called that precisely because they had questioned the numbers of those who had died at Auschwitz.

900,000

Source: Reported on August 3, 1990 11, by Aufbau, a Jewish newspaper in New York.

800,000 to 900,000

Source: Reported by Gerald Reitlinger in his book, The Final Solution.

775,000 to 800,000

Source: Jean-Claude Pressac's revised figure, put forth in his 1993 book, The Crematoria of Auschwitz: The Mass Murder's Machinery, scaling down his earlier claim of 1,000,000 dead.

630,000 to 710,000

Source: In 1994 Pressac scaled his figure down somewhat further; this is the figure cited in the German language translation of Pressac's 1993 book originally published in French. Again, this is substantially less than Pressac's 1989 figure of 1,000,000.

135,000 to 140,000

Source: This is an estimate based on documents held by the International Tracing Service of the Red Cross. It is known that International Tracing Service has a complete set of registration documents. This is thought to include a complete set of roll-call data which includes twice daily tallies of those who died. Although the International Tracing Service of the Red Cross has such records, they have never officially published an accurate count of those who died, or even an accurate report as to exactly which documents they hold. However, totals from these records have been obtained by various interested parties.

The estimate of 135,000 is roughly corroborated by the "Auschwitz death books." The death books themselves are wartime German camp records, which were captured by the Soviets towards the end of the war, and hidden in Soviet achieves, until released to the Red Cross in 1989.

The death books consist of 46 volumes which document each death at Auschwitz (each death certificate consists of the deceased person's full name, profession and religion, date and place of birth, pre-Auschwitz residence, parents' names, time of death, and cause of death as determined by a camp physician).

Today:





4.5 million? Looks like the Baum quote is what its purported to be, spreading LIES.

As you can see the official sign is even changed.

 

Im not saying its not possible to die from diesel, Im saying its a really nutty way to try to kill someone since it takes hours with gas and many many hours with diesel!

Sure its even possible to die from an over dose of water!

Think it through for a moment....Germany had tanks with no fuel and you think Hitler is foolish enough to use his precious diesel to gas people while his tanks were sitting there with no fuel?

Does that seriously sound like a reasonable assessment to you when a bullet costs pennies?

Lets say they did do that, how many Jews were killed by this diesel? The Germans kept meticulous records.

I didnt realize someone smudged out the new sign. I guess despite the death toll has been reduced to a little over 100,000 total they must need to keep the million up there for tourist purposes.




Just a minor counting error of 2.5 million that the tourist dept is willing to admit!

Mainly Jews when the facts are that Jews had the lowest death toll!

 

Yeah--it's the same bullshit about Australia. And Europe too. I've never seen any of those supposed places with my own eyes. Any stories about those places are probably just made up propaganda. How do I know they exist?

 

The children were claimed to be killed because Hitler had no use for them.
Explain how come there are so many healthy kids seen on liberation day?

 

Ooooo boy. Nailed it real good!!

 

Europe, I've seen. But I have my doubts about Australia. Kangaroos, Wallabys, Koala Bears--sounds like B.S. to me. Wombats, Tasmanian devils: gimmie a break!

 

Oh maybe you didnt see this:




This is the placard on auschwitz today.

See the placard on Auschwitz building says 1.5 million today, not 4 million like it used to say.

So are you claiming Auschwitz got their info and placard from rense? LOL

Thats the problem when you blindly attack the source instead of the actual data.

Never a good idea since its a major cause for a red face.

VancouverIndyMedia says the same thing as Rense!

The diminishing numbers of alleged dead in Auschwitz/The-diminishing-numbers-of-alleged-dead-in-Auschwitz



Israeli Historians Welcome Revision Of Auschwitz Death Toll


Revised findings by the Auschwitz State Museum said the number of victims in the Nazi death camp in southern Poland actually was 1.1 million to 1.5 million, the Polish newspaper Gazeta Wyborcza reported Tuesday.

Of that number, at least 960,000 were Jews.
Israeli Historians Welcome Revision Of Auschwitz Death Toll

Its still not true but getting warmer!

Its always a good idea to look at actual data instead of the source to avoid red faces!

 

Did you ever 'see' the alleged Maj gas chambers?

Those were the showers claimed to spout gas instead of water.

 

David Cole blew the Auschwitz 'death' camp story wide open, so badly he had to go into hiding due to death threats after doing this presentation.

He debunked the Auschwitz 'death camp' story and you dont mess with a trillion dollar business without making people very very angry.

David Cole

transcript without pictures: David Cole in Auschwitz: The Video of the Century. | CODOH

or video: https://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/ColeRemastered-hb27-est.mp4

........Holocaust experts don't deny the purpose of this building; they just don't like mentioning it. After all, why complicate things? Also forgotten is the Auschwitz camp theatre, the current home of the aforementioned convent of nuns.

The last pictures taken inside this building showed pianos and costumes and a stage where the inmates used to put on productions. These days, however, the nuns don't allow pictures to be taken inside. And finally, we have the Auschwitz swimming pool. Yes, that's right: swimming pool, situated inside the prison compound right alongside of the inmates' barracks. A beautiful pool with a diving board and 'starters' blocks for races. To their credit, the Auschwitz camp officials have not tried to remove this distraction. But if you want to see the pool, you need to know already that it exists because you won't find it on the tour.

So basically, what we have is a tour that consists mainly of tourists who already believe in the Holocaust story and are perhaps emotionally connected to it in some way, being given a selectively edited tour filled with horror story after horror story and ending up at the final stop — the gas chamber.

At this point, the tour group is emotionally primed to believe anything and the gas chamber is like the featured performer after a two-hour warm-up act to get the crowd in the mood. Literally, the gas chamber is the objective proof that everything they've heard on the tour is true; objective proof of the Holocaust. But is it? We'll see in a minute.

I went to Auschwitz in September of 1992 to see for myself this place that I have studied for so long. I paid extra for a personal English language tour guide, a young lady named Alicia, who gives tours in Polish, German, and English. And I wore my yarmulke just so nobody missed the point that I'm Jewish. I figured that way I could ask my questions in a manner that would not make me look like a revisionist. You see, in the past, revisionists haven't had much success in getting answers from the Auschwitz officials. But I would come off as a righteous Jew wanting to know the real facts and answer those who say the Holocaust never happened.

For the sake of clarity, not only am I a revisionist, I am also quite proudly an atheist. But my parents are both Jewish, so if you're a Jew by birth, you're a Jew by birth. It's not anything I'd be ashamed of.

Alicia, like the other tour guides, had to take a class and memorize a spiel to become one. This is an important point because I'm hoping to show that the people who run Auschwitz, like Dr. Franciszek Piper and the tour guide supervisor you'll meet shortly, teach their tour guides to say things they know aren't true. But this shouldn't reflect badly on Alicia; she only repeats what she's been told, and I'm sure she never had to put up with a tourist like me before.

I have over four hours of footage of me taking the tour, asking one obnoxious question after another. This footage will be re-edited into a separate tape. This time, we're just going to concern ourselves with the gas chamber and my interview with Dr. Franciszek Piper, Senior Curator and Head of Archives at the Auschwitz State Museum.

I came to Auschwitz as a confirmed skeptic about the gas chamber story. I know to some people, critically examining the Holocaust is the ultimate sacrilege. But you'll have to realize that I have no sacred cows and understanding what really happened is important to me, and I'd ask that you respect that.

I know from years of my own research and the research of others that proofs of the Holocaust are few. Literally, all there is are the "eyewitness" testimonies and postwar confessions. There's no picture, plan or wartime document dealing with homicidal gas chambers or a plan to exterminate the Jews. And we can't use the excuse the Nazis destroyed all the evidence because after we had broken the German code, we were able to intercept their secret transmissions including those that came from Auschwitz.

The key to understanding the Holocaust story is understanding the true nature of the things passed off as proofs. Everything that is used as evidence of the Holocaust also can be said to have a perfectly normal explanation.

For example, these exhibits are said to be the material proofs of exterminations. There are the piles of human hair. But what does that prove? It is acknowledged that each inmate had his or her head shaved because of the lice problem. That's not denied, so why wouldn't there be piles of human hair? What about the piles of shoes and clothing? Is that a proof? It's a fact that the prisoners were issued a uniform upon arrival, including shoes. So why wouldn't there be piles of inmates' shoes and clothing? It doesn't prove anybody was killed. And that's giving the Soviets and Poles the benefit of the doubt that the clothes and hair are genuinely from the camp during its operation.

What about the canisters of gas? No one denies that Zyklon B was used to disinfect clothes and also buildings. Zyklon B was one of the premier pest control agents in Europe at that time. It was present in most of the concentration camps including those that are not said to have had homicidal gas chambers in them. The typhus epidemic that spread throughout Europe during the war and also spread through the camps called for stringent lice control procedures.

In his book Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers, published by the [Beate] Klarsfeld Foundation and meant to refute revisionists, Jean-Claude Pressac admits that over 95% of the Zyklon B used by the Germans was used to disinfect. He assigns only 5% to homicidal purposes. And this from a Holocaust supporter.

So what other proofs are offered? Well, there's the usual pictures of.....

continued here:
transcript without pictures: David Cole in Auschwitz: The Video of the Century. | CODOH
and here:
or video: https://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/ColeRemastered-hb27-est.mp4

Im sure that anyone not intimately familiar with the subject matter will find this highly educational

Your turn Tish...bring it!

 

Nah.....actually as you can see he totally blew it.
Shooting the messenger never kills the data the messenger delivered.
Nailed himself

 

Meagain, you're more patient than I am. After extensive go arounds with ShyOne (a misnomer if there ever was one), the psychodynamics are clear. She loves to take contrarian positions because it makes her the center of attention. It's obvious that she has plenty of free time to devote to this enterprise, which seems to have consumed her life. My favorite was the one about the glories of ancient Egyptian theocracy, based on misinterpreted readings from the History Channel. Her arguments are specious, but of course it takes time to show that, she dismisses it, and she can fight a war of attrition--in this case, armed with all the ammo from fringe Holocaust deniers (which, of course, she claims not to be one--just a Holocaust agnostic who ignores or dismisses evidence supporting the Holocaust and responds exclusively with Anti-Holocaust material from her sources. This is what she does with other conspiracy theories, as well. Her latest entry is based on the gospel of David Cole, a Jewish Holocaust denier of dubious reputation.
Hollywood conservative unmasked as notorious Holocaust revisionist
https://www.mediamatters.org/daily-...lies-holocaust-denier-smear-president-clinton
Fabricating stuff is what he does. He made a career of it; at one time (after going incognito) he made a living making documentaries showing tha the Hololcaust was real. Anything for a buck! He's a con man--no college background, but rich parents to support his self-educationin in pursuit of contrarian causes and a penchant for "stirring things up". He once recanted his Holocaust denial, but later recanted his recantation. (Shermer and Grobman, Denying History).

I see no point in wasting further time with Shy. If there were others involved in the discussion, it would be interesting to explore the phenomenon of conspiracy theories, but she has a way of sucking up all the oxygen.

 

Maybe others have not researched it any more than you have?
Reading the cover of a book then expecting to debate with someone like me is a recipe for disaster.