Why Do They Hate Us So Much ?

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They were RETURNING FIRE. When you are fighting a force hiding behind civialians you have two choices: 1. Never respond or protect yourself or 2. You shoot back and accept the casualties. When you hide behind civialians you put them at risk not the other way around.

Agree with you there. However, saying that they are great people as they launch missles and suicide attacks against civialians isn't going to solve it either. It doesn't matter what they are called. Obviously one groups terrorist is anothers hero. It doesn't change the fact that when you do things like kill 8 soldiers and kidnap 2 that you should feel safe because you got back to Lebanon. If you create a war, don't cry when you are losing. If you hide your weapons among women and children then you have to expect you are raising your own civilian casualities, though this can be an effective form of PR warfare. It works on some people.

 

This may come up again, don't think it won't especially when the Bush cabinet has promised them high returns.
We have the new North American Union which the Bush administration is behind.

 

Ok call it captured. If Mexico came over and "captured" some American troops you are fine with that? Assuming you live in the US.

They are not protected but does that mean they can't retailiate or do you feel they should just sit by day after day and try to avoid the missles/raids?

Nobody is pure or absolutely right. Anyone can justify anything has good or bad.

 

Only the Isrealis say that they were hiding behind civilians. It's now become accepted as fact. I would like to see evidence to that fact. It's easy to state that, but hard to prove. Suicide attacks have been historically accomplished by the Palestians which have no other resource, why are we now confusing the two to justify unjustified force?

The Hezbollah have missiles, Why do we confuse them with suicide attacks, which the Americans find more reprehenisble, it's like beheadings as opposed to electrocution or torture.

 

Promised who high returns?

I am definately not for any kind of North American Union. I don't like the trend of combining governments. All Countries want to remain autonomous and I don't think it would work without a clear cut one government in control. That is a scary thought for all those involved.

 

Restatement of my argument:

And want to confuse things even more bring in the bombing of the Marine barracks in 1983. Don't expect people to remember or know what was going on then...just ask for flag waving...that's the American way. PR rules!

 

It is part of Guerilla tactics. If they didn't they would be distroyed very fast. They have to blend in and be able to disperse into the masses.

Hezbollah has incorporated suicide attacks before. The point, to me, isn't to confuse the two groups but to say they are in the same boat. Give it up and work to better your people and just leave Israel alone. Do you think that if they put down their weapons and quit the attacks that Israel would have a leg to stand on in any kind of aggression? I don't believe the US would back any aggression on a defenseless people. Maybe you disagree. Again I would point you towards Japan. If they continued a guerilla war against the occupation would they be where they are now? Did the US stay and keep them under occupation?

 

Israel is a "blessed" nation and they can to do whatever they want to justify their means? I call for what Rabin wanted "PEACE".

Isreal is in no way defensless. America has armed it and made it one of the strongest military in the world. Japan got bombed into oblivion is that you want for the Arab world?

 

The US corporate world still guides and controls Japan, don't be naive. And the threat of another nuclear disaster is still fresh in their minds and genes, should that be something we are proud of?

 

I call for the same my friend. It just isn't going to happen until one side gives up. That is how it works. There can not be peace until Israel is left alone. Like I said if the small agressions against civialians stop Israel doesn't have a case to make war.

I most defenately do not want that for the arab world. However if Japan would have given up sooner it would not have been necessary. One side has to give up for it to end. That doesn't mean they have to give up their current countries only their militias arms and stop the attacks, that is what Israel is asking for. If they got it they couldn't justify aggression.

 

Fear of force should guide the world? This is not the world I want to live in.

 

We did not start the aggression against Japan. Japan is tied to the US corporate world but they adapted and are beating our coporations in a lot of instances. Look at the trouble GM is in. Do you think that we are skewing it to our advantage? I don't think anyone should be proud of war beyond the fact that what had to be done was done with great sacrafice. Of coarse every Country would view events diferently depending on the side your on. It doesn't make any side right because there are no absolute "right and wrongs" only peoples opinions and actions.

 

When 09/11 happenned I wished for everyone to stop and think about the others in the world. I wasn't a hawk. I wanted others to view the world as humans, and value them as we value our families.

Corporate powers didn't want that, they wanted to advance their agendas, and they have. They have gotten richer, no matter how much progress has been made, they have grown richer. They don't care about the ultimate outcome, how many die, or what the expense is to different countries, they only care about their profit.

And they've made those. They can die and pass on massive amounts of money to their children, without them joining in the conflicts they promote. It's sad that we buy into the pr. Our famililies and the lives of our children are what we should stand up and say you can't buy that.

 

Fear of force does guide the world right or wrong. It has since humans first formed into tribes and continues on ever increasing scales today. How do you get rid of all conflict unless everyone is brainwashed into one world government? Individual countries will have individual interests. IMO conflict is a fact of life unfortunately and fear of force/retaliation is how any kind of control is maintained in any country. Thus laws and prison.

 

I was a hawk, but beyond that I don't disagree. I believe you have to confront aggression with aggression, it is human nature. What would your solution be? End all corporations? Go back to times before industrialization? Lower our defenses until someone just takes us over or kills us all so we don't have to worry about it? Trust Government to run our businesses and be more involved in peoples lives?

 

Someday the meek will rise up and those that think they own the world by force, will awake to a world that says, you don't speak for me. Kill people's children, and elderly, and their dogs like they are in China and think you can manipulate us. Don't go to sleep, because we don't forget the crimes committed against our loved ones. Keep your laws and prisons. Our hatred and memories will guide us to unhorse you. One world government...shove it up your ass!

 

Exactly, which means there will always be conflict. Who's utopia are you supporting, because there are many different versions depending on who you are communicating with.

Ah, more conflict. Thought you were against that.

I don't think very many people support any of this.

 

Value us and we will value you. Consider us collateral damage and you risk you very lives.

 

I don't ever promote killing or death to an end to a means. I only mean to point out that pr companies can not make things like they didn't happen, and if you choose to oppress people, don't expect them to bow to you and wish you the best...they never will.

 

And our hatred and memories will guide the rest of the world to know that what you wish to accomplish is not based on defense but rather a wish for more wealth and power.