Why do so many British dislike their fellow Europeans

Dunn

Sorry but it’s a myth spread by the right wing media and politicians that we joined the EU thinking it was just meant to be a ‘trading agreement’ actually we knew we were signing up to the ‘European project’ of ‘ever greater union’

The European Project, it is a pretty simple concept to grasp – the creation of lasting peace through ever closer union, anyone looking into it would know that the whole idea of the European project was for ‘ever closer union’ “It is found in the Preamble to the 1957 treaty that set up what became the EU [and] on at least six occasions the UK has signed up to it (firstly in becoming a member, and then agreeing to subsequent treaty changes)”

It has been the right wing (often neoliberal and wealth owned) media that have constantly pushed the idea that the EU was (or should) be only about trade. And I’m sorry to say that the right wing media in the UK have a lot of influence with very little push back.

What does that mean?

What is the UK’s sense of identity?

In what way was the UK losing that sense of identity?

In what way is it a quagmire?

 

I don't see the problem.

 

If it would say, or even imply, that the members would eventually give up all souvereignty and that their own cultural identity should be consciously tried to be merged with the rest of the EU hardly any country would have joined in the first place and the EU wouldn't have gotten to where it's now.
So yeah, that's really not in the Maastricht treaty lol.

 

An even more united Europe wouldn't be a bad thing... Assuming cultural identity and such weren't lost, imo.

 

The issue is hinting at that loss was Dunnaknockits main point. Nice try but no cookie i would say

 

Yeah I hear you.

 

I have dutch relatives they are lovely people.

 

It is a pretty simple concept to grasp

Keep the poorer states like Poland, Moldova, Greece, Hungary, Slovakia etc enslaved in indebtedness and low income servitude for the benefit of a few wealthy nations

 

Where does Spain fit into that analysis? And Italy?

 

Bullshit !!! - there was no plebescite to take us into the then Common Marrket, that arrogant bastard Heath signed us up to join without asking us. It was only subsequently in 1975 Harold Wilson gave us a referendum as to whether we wanted to stay in the Common Market.

 

Errr Italy is screwed either way. But they would be my pick to be the next one's to leave the EU

But either way, I don't see how that country is going to dig itself out of the economic mess it's in

 

Lol yeah, Italians and Spaniards are like.. Err aren't you guys like Mexican or something?  it's the anti Europe and Greece and Turkey and that area. As far as I'm concerned, they can all go and belong in Asia and the UK can have its own continent and Brexit the fuck off with Spain and all that shit and France. And from pretty much France east can be Europe but nothing south of the Mexican Alps.

I only believe in central Europe.

 

What does this statement even mean? Your pick for what purpose? Who's benefit? Lol...

What are you talking about exactly? Their debt? Italy has a lot of problems but their national economy will keep going like it always did. It's one of the strongest in the world. In fact, it is often argued that if it wasn't for the corruption, crime and political mess it could be one of the richest and most thriving countries in the EU.

 

The Euro’s $2.7 Trillion Italy Problem


Plus private debt around the same figure, 10% unemployment, average income only around $US27K a year, so nobody can pay off their debts......etc etc etc

 

So how would they benefit if they leave the EU next? Debt disappears then?

 

I said either way. I'm not going to defend Italy

There fault for continually voting in the politicians they do

 

Again Brexit supporters change the gaol posts

One argument for Brexit was that we sent money to the EU that was then used in assisting poorer EU members to improve their economies.

Now they are saying the EU isn’t helping out these countries so they can use them as slaves.

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You have to remember that this has nothing to do with rational argument (LOL I mean come on, people like VG don’t and can’t think rationally) this is all about extremist alt-right, far right and neoliberal hatred of what they see as a ‘socialist’ EU.

They don’t care about lying, cheating or changing argument midstream, all they care about is stoking fear and hatred of the evil leftie EU. They wish to destroy it and take great glee from any of its problems and pray for its break up.

What do they want to replace it with, I fear they’d be happy with a return to 1930’s type nationalism and right wing strong arm leadership.

 

So basically you are saying anyone that mentions the gigantic inequality between EU countries is "extremist alt-right"

Minimum wage in Moldova is $US208 a month, $US52 a week

Average Salary in Moldova 2020 - The Complete Guide

"The European Project" what a joke

 

The UK is a union of nations and it should be remembered that there can be wage discrepancies within the UK – so is the English Parliament keeping wages in say Wales and Northern Ireland low to benefit England, I mean wages are far lower in those areas….so

Anyway maybe some organisation could help

Wales currently received (in 2016) around £680 million of EU funds every year , according to the Welsh Government.

since 2007 EU projects have achieved the following:

• Supported 229,110 people to gain qualifications
• Helped 72,700 people into work
• Created 36,970 (gross) jobs and 11,925 enterprises

In February 2017, Plaid Cymru tabled an amendment to the Brexit Bill seeking assurances about future funding which wasn't backed by the Conservatives

 

I will remind you what thread you are in
"Why do so many British dislike their fellow Europeans"