why do people bug about heroin and not oxycontin?

thanks Shoc, atleast someone understands my point. My cousins swear I'm an addict cuz I fuck with oxy every week or two, but I tell them I just use recreationally. Same thing with all other drugs I've done except for weed. I wont lie I was very addicted to weed (if there is such a thing..?) lol

But everything else, I used recreationally. I still trip on acid every couple of months, drink like every week or two, oxy every week or two, a little xani bar every now n then, etc.. But mostly I limit my drug use to weekends, and Im sober all week and I go to college. I agree "If you can keep using like that for the rest of your life you should never have a problem", and thats my goal.

 

In my post I said that my recreational use has never been a problem. It was when I had uncontroled pain, When they were a problem. But I think that could of been better managed by my doctor at the time also.
We have access to narcotic on a full time level now. I could care less for them and only seek then if necessary. excellent point you made KILO.

 

same here kilo! its funny that weed is the only drug i got "addicted" to n Ive tried them all...

 

Then please tell me why I dont shoot up anymore? Since..there is no coming back and all...

 

I mean to a person with an addictive personality. Sorry if I wasnt clear enough, but you dont gotta act all sarcastic about it. You're one of the lucky ones because statistics point more in my direction than yours.

 

People look down on Heroin more because although they are very similar drugs with very similar effects, heroin is more dangerous and dirtier than oxy, period. oxy is a pure pharmaceutical drug that leaves the user with no doubt of exactly what they are taking. heroin can vary in purity and is often shot up, really increasing the chances of an OD. oxy can also be dangerous and addictive, but if taken the right way and if not mixed with other drugs/alcohol, risk of OD is pretty low.

H can be a dirty, dangerous, and unpredictable drug, which is why I would never do it. Oxy is a clean pharmaceutical, you know what your getting, and if your smart about it, you its very unlikely you will OD. But without question, it is very addicting and often destructive. I'm by no means advocating OC use, just simply explaining why people look down on H more than they do OC's.

Also, the fact that you resort to H because its cheaper or when OC's arent around just screams to your friends that you are a drug addict. Not saying you are, but why don't you just chill and wait til the next time theyre around? You shouldn't be offended by the fact that they are getting on your case over this. Infact, if they didn't get on your case about it they wouldn't be friends at all. If I found out my friend was doing heroin, I'd do alot more then call him a junkie. I'd make sure he was in rehab before he ended up dead. .

Edit: And I didn't even realize you were also comparing to Vike's?! You need help bro, the difference between doing takign some Vicodin and doing Heroin is the difference of having a cup of beer versus chugging a bottle of everclear.

Not trying to put you down...I really recommend you try to get some help....All the best

 

na its all good, ive been like this for almost 3 years now, i used to eat fentanyl lolipops in school in 11th grade, now im in my 3rd semester of college with and adv. gpa of 3.46, so the drugs aint fucking me up too bad.

I like your second to last sentance, you got it but dont understand it, opiates are opiates just like alcohol is alcohol....your forgetting that opiates and alcohol are more or less dose dependant, killing a bottle of everyclear isnt THAT much worse than killing a 36 pack...and i dont feel like doing the conversions but at some point the drunk you feel of the everclear will be exactly the same as the beer at a certain level, just like if your not using a needle its hard to tell the difference between 60mg of oc or a bag of dope...their all dose depandant, so if ur gonna get the same feeling, why not get it cheaper?

(i dont know if my oxy tolerance is fucked, if the discontinued oxys are actually less potent, or if i just get good h, but i do feel 1 bag=60mgish oxy...)

 

too crisp you make some good points but one point I just don't agree with our understand for that matter is what you are saying about if you found out one of your friends was doing dope you would freak out and think of him different ? Are you trying to say its alright for that Friend to sniff and shoot OC's and Dilaudid all day long but as soon as he does a bag of Herion he has crossed the line and went to far.I guess for some reason you don't have to worry about him sniffing OC's and winding up a addict and Dead ? I just don't see what your point is there ? Who the fuck cares what someone abuses and how they do there shit. In my eyes Dope,OC's,Dilaudid,MS,Methadone its all the same shit and I don't care if they are snififng it eating it or Shooting it up also. A person can get strung out with any one of them substances and find there ass in the gutter with nothing pretty dam easy and quick.Your statments above are a prime exapmle of what Rollon and Kilo are trying to say. People can Fuck around with all the hard opiates they want but as soon as they use Herion the situation changes for some reason !!!! Its not the substance or how the person does that substance that makes them addcit its how much they do the substance and what they will give up to do it ! This post is a good debate though I will have to say. Every one has made great points and stated there opinions well.

 

Please don't question my understanding of these drugs. I can tell by reading your posts that you have alot to learn, and a good start would be to stop doing heroin.

Your point on dose dependency is way off base and really makes me question your understanding of what you're putting in your body.

I will agree with you that Alcoholic beverages are dose dependent. Although people sometimes get different types of "drunk" (speedy, drowsy, etc) depending on the type of beverage they ingest (wine, beer, hard), you're right in that it's still all alcohol, and is basically dose dependent.

Opiates, however, are not the same. Alcohol (ethanol) is the common drug found in all alcoholic beverages, this is why they are dose dependent. "Opiates" are not a drug. It's a term classifying a type of various narcotic drugs deriving from opium, varying in potency and effects. Although most generally have similar effects, the chemical makeups are often quite different. To give you an extreme example to illustrate my point, Propoxyphene (darvocet) and Heroin are not dose dependent. There not the same drug. Beer and everclear are the same drug.

I'll stop right there as I believe I've made my point pretty clear. Why you went that route to defend yourself is beyond me, because it's irrelevent to the whole thread topic. I'll tell you with 100% certainty that doing heroin is more dangerous and reckless than taking opiod medications such as oxycodone and hydrocodone. It alone as a drug is more potent, and takes on an additional element of risk through questions of purity and the fact that it was obtained through the street and not a pharmacy.

This thread has become way too detailed and the reason for this I am not sure, I guess its to save you and help you out in any way that I can. It's not to win an argument, as I already know I am right. I'm glad you're in school and have a good GPA, but I'm sorry to tell you that there's no such thing as a respectable/honorable/successful heroin user. They don't exist because it requires a severe lack of character.

 

your just affraid of addiction, not everyone who has done heroin is a piece of shit, and i dont wanna look it up but im SURE theres dozens of famouse honerable opiate users. The reason i "deffended" myself is because everyone i know pissed me off so much i started this thread, and then you do EXACTLY what made me start this whole topic in the first place...like seriousley i start a thread about people bitching about how bad heroin is and you come on here and bitch about how bad heroin is,,,also i think your one of the only people who posted on here who really lectured me or anything, and opiates/opiods are dose dependant and similar, maybe not to the same extent as vodka and rum but deffinitley dose dependant and very similar feelings,,,if someone who has only done propoxyphene once or twice and has done heroin once or twice....if a gram of pure propoxyphene without the tylenol in the darvocet was placed in someones drink without them knowing they could easily mistake the feeling to be that of a bag of heroin...probably a little weaker but they are all dose dependant and feel moe or less the same, propoxyphene is a methadone derivative and last time i checked it was approximatley 1/2-1/3 the potentacy of codeine, if opiods are not dose dependant what is the point of an opiate/opioid equivlancy calculator?
you say propoxyphene is not dose dependant to heroin, now theres conversions all over the web to get x mg's of propoxyphene= x mg's of codeine, theres conversions to get x mg's of codeine= to x mg's of morphine and heroin is diacetlymorphine so i have never checked but i would imagine it would be twice as strong as morphine mg=mg iv=iv.....the only difference between a LARGE dose of propoxyphene and a small dose of heroin would be less of a "rush" from the propoxyphene but it would in turn last longer......

 

Wrong, man. Just wrong. Yes, I know exactly what conversion charts you're talking about but they are converting different drugs, and give an extremely broad idea in the effectiveness of mg to mg per drug in managing PAIN and depression of the respiratory system, but NOT in the strength of a high or a feeling from the drug. The chart is really only moderately effective in converting closely semi-related opiates such as oxy, hydro, morphine, etc, and even this is very questionable.

The weaker ones in gigantic quantities don't "equal" the potent ones in small ones. Infact, weak ones in gigantic quantities (like your example of talking a lot of darvocet) would not only NOT make someone feel like they are heroin, but they would almost definitely OD and die and experience no euphoria at all. Apparently you don't read the news, but Darvocet is one of the deadliest drugs in the world because people like you take alot to try to feel something and end up dieing of respiratory depression.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the original topic which was why heroin users are scum, but you took it here, and now I am worried about you ODing on Darvocets or Codeine.

 

Some people, huh? you realize that by this post you have invalidated everything you have or will ever say here? A lot of people say the same exact thing about cocaine, pot and LSD, but theyre all just as wrong as you are. Just as example, William S. Burroughs, Kurt Cobain and Miles Davis all were addicted to heroin, and led productive, and frankly awesome, lives. Its not about the drug, its about why youre using. some people can use heroin safely and some people cant even use weed safely. Dont try to convince me that everyone is as weak as you are, you have the will-power of an addict, thats why you fear "hard" drugs. There are those of us who trust themselves and have personal control. You are a child, and thats about all I have to say.

 

couldnt have said it better, props to that, amazing post!

 

thank you, you looked up or already knew of some famouse heroin addicts, i knew their had to be some...

 

ray charles, kurt cobain, slash, keith richards, miles davis and charlie parker (n most jazz players), william s burroughs (author of junky, naked lunch), aleister crowley (king of the occult) were all heroin users. thomas de quincey (author of confessions of an opium eater), charles baudelaire (decadent poet), arthur rimbaud (decadent poet), king charles v were all opium users. stephen king, sigmund freud, robert louis stevenson (author of dr jekyll and mr hyde), sherlock holmes (fictional), hunter s thompson (father of gonzo), hitler were all famous cocaine users.

 

Please don't insult my intelligence. You're post is so dumb that I was literally laughing out loud while reading it. I've studied drugs and addiction in depth while at school at NYU, and you don't want to try to get into a debate with me about it.

When, anywhere, did I say there weren't any famous or talented heroin users? Do you think I am that stupid? I know how many talented celebrities have abused hard drugs. The way you wrote it, it makes it seem like it wasn't something that severely negatively impacted all of their lives.

There are hundreds of examples of talented individuals who had some underlying issues/depression, turned to drugs, and it ended them up in rehab, destroying their career, or dead--for example your friend Kurt Cobain. Very talented guy, quite the sad story. You want more examples like that? The list is endless. Find one who it didn't end up destroying. The thing is in almost all of these cases, these individuals became famous before doing drugs, and turned to drugs after becoming famous, leading to their downfall.

You're trying to justify and make yourself feel better about your own drug use and its pretty pathetic. And you're also re-wording what I said. I said it takes a severe lack of character to do heroin, and that no respectable or truly successful person does it. Your definition of success obviously much different than mine. I didn't say famous or talented. Kurt Cobain was an extremely talented guy who ended up dead at age 26 due to the drug.

I can't believe I'm even arguing this right now--do you really disagree with the fact that heroin is a destructive drug? Man, I could care less if you do it--do what floats your boat--but the least you can do is just admit its scummy and low, and will in all likelihood lead you down a bad path. If you disagree with that, then you're just very sick in the head. At least be self-aware.

 

came back and saw and amazing thread
one other quick thing tho, i don't condone nor condemn opiates.
i just use them, therefore i might glorify them every now and then.
on the other hand i hate stimulants, any and all.
but i have never talked down on them or the people who use them.
from adderall to meth, i will occasionally give my opinion against them, but i don't tell people what is good or bad for them.
i cannot look down on any type of addict, as i use and am an addict as well.
so, someone around here should realize they use as well, and on the most basic level it is all considered using.
terms like, "scum" and what not, they infuriate me.
why severly down someone who is already down and outta control, well i've rambled, i'm done.

 

lol. are you saying doing heroin is lack of character? therefore, addiction is a flaw in character?
if you believe that theory, you have wasted a great amount of time...

 

yeah hitler was scum. but a guy who tried heroin or even an addict arent. people who judge others n think they have the right to label them as scum (what an ugly word) r scum. plus sayin that once u try heroin theres no goin back, or heroin users r scum is so pathetic. like i said before there is an infinite number of people livin in this world, each with different, bodies, genes, personalities, life styles, situations, ideas, state of minds, n combining them all under one statement is idiotic. you cant ever say u do this, then that happens, or all these r this, it aint math. i tried heroin n never got addicted, do u wanna knw what is the only drug i cant get outta my life, ur friend, marijuana.

 

Doing any drug is not lack of character, and saying so is completely idiotic. EVERYONE has their vices. Generally, doing drugs is a SYMPTOM of a problem and a lot of people dont understand this. Doing heroin or any other drug, does not make one "scum" or show lack of character. What a pitiful mind you must have.
I have been doing opiates for years and I have continued a very productive lifestyle and will continue my productive lifestyle. Learn to get your head out of the propaganda that mass media spews and learn from experience, for yourself, not from whom youve seen, etc. Unless you have personal experience with it and can look at something from a completely non biased viewpoint, then you really have no sayso in the matter at all. You really have no reason to have an opinion on it. If you HAVE done heroin, and its led your life into shambles...well, dear..thats your own fault. Not anyone elses.