Why did God need to sacrifice Jesus to forgive sin?

Aliens? if you wish to call those who we will become in the far and distant future, who dwell in the Eighth generation of the universe, wherein there is neither hours, days, weeks, months, or years, but where all time is stuck together in one great aeon, and all therein are surrounded by great light, "ALIENS," then yes, Aliens are soon to come down and harvest what is theirs.

And they are soon to descend into our time dimension, when the door between the two dimensions is opened, and like Enoch did with Jesus, they will each choose from the body of mankind, one of their ancient ancestors, who were obedient to their indwelling spirit as He was in this point in time, and they will be reborn on earth in their chosen host bodies. These are the spirits of Enoch within the body of Jesus in whom he duplicated himself, who were poured out as fire when the veil of that Temple was torn.

These are they of the first resurrection, over whom the second death has no power, who, in their chosen earthly host bodies, will take the thrones that have been prepared for them and Rule for a thousand years, the Great Sabbath, "The Day of the Lord," the seventh period of one thousand years from the day in which Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that first day at the age of 930.

So get behind me you charlatan priests, and you shams,
For I am true to my God, to MY God, "Who I Am,"

Only when you know and accept "Who you now are," will you be known.

I am who I am, may I never lose sight'
Of the fact that I am who I am day and night
I'm not who I was, nor who I will be,
For "WHO I AM," is the name that my God gave to me.

Father! Keep them safe by the power of your Holy name, the name that you gave to me.

The name that was given to Jesus by our heavenly Father and the only name in heaven and earth by which we are saved.

Now, close your eyes slightly and hold your pen tightly
Then call for the spirit within to awake
For it's he who I walk with, who, in you I would talk with,
And here's the request to him I would make.

ARISE! Let your light shine, for now is the right time,
To scatter the darkness and shine forth your light.
Release all your children held fast in the prison
Of those teachers of darkness. Those sons of the night.....By S-word.

 

1st Peter 1: 20; "He had been chosen (As were all his brothers) by God before the creation of the world and was revealed in these last days for your sake. Though him you believe in the Lord God our saviour, who raised him from death and gave him glory; and so your faith and HOPE are fixed on God."

1st Timothy 1: 1; From Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by order of "GOD OUR SAVIOUR," and Christ Jesus "OUR HOPE."

1st Peter 3: 18; He was put to death physically, but made alive spiritually and he descended (Through Time) and Preached the good news also, to those who were disobedient in the days when Noah was building the boat.

From the book of 'Enoch the Prophet' CVI: 1-6, "Methusulah took a wife for his son Lamech, (The physical Father of the giant Noah) and she became pregnant by him and bore a son and his body was as white as snow and as red as the blooming of a rose, and the hair on his head and his long locks were white as wool, and his eyes beautiful, and when he opened his eyes, he lighted up the whole house like the sun, and the whole house was very bright.

And there upon he (Jesus) arose in the hands of the midwife, opened his mouth, and conversed with the Lord of righteousness (Enoch Who had succeeded Adam to the throne of Godhead within the body of the Most High in the creation, "Mankind.") And his father Lamech was afraid of him, (Just as Eve was terrified when she first saw Cain the shinning one and thought to kill him) and lamech fled and ran to his father Methusulah.

And he said to him: "I have begotten a strange son, diverse from and unlike man, and resembling the Son's of the God of heaven; and his nature is different, and he is not like us, and his eyes are as the rays of the sun, and his countenance is glorious. And it seems that he is not sprung from me, but from the angels. And I fear that in his days, a wonder may be wrought on the earth.

Jesus, the chosen heir to the throne of Godhead, who succeeds the first Melchizedek (Enoch), who, clothed and girded with fire, serves God before the body of Adam/Mankind into all eternity, now dwells behind the veil to the inner most sanctuary of his temporary tent/tabernacle, which is your body and mine and all of those who are descended from Noah/Jesus.

 

Because imaginary friends have no need for children?

 

In one way I suppose you could be correct, that is, if you remove the word, "Imaginary." The 144,000 chosen and elect ones, who are of the first resurrection, over who, the second death has no power, and who will take the thrones that have been prepared for them, and rule for the Day of the Lord, after which, all physical life forms on this planet will be incinerated, see Revelation 14: 4; and 20: 4 to 6, and 20: 9.

These inherit their share of the immortal body of the Great Simulacrum/blueprint, the sacrificial lamb of God, which dies in the process of involution.

Being immotal beings, who can pass from this visible three dimension through the door that leads into the invisible dimension, that co-exists with this one, they cannot have children and have no need of the animal procreative powers, as they live forever.

 

Do they have penises and vaginas?

 

who are they, and how do they 'inherit', their share?

 

Well therein is a garbled premise. It is the major inconsistency in the anthropomorphic description of godhead. 144,000 as described is hideously racist.

the spirit of creation is unbounded

a "glorified" body is not a body at all but a constancy that appears in any form

 

With the particle accelerator in Switzerland, do we now have the technology to open the door to the inner dimension?

Of all the poets throughout all time, Robert Service to who I bow the knee, placed Omar Khayyam above all others. Omar with his wine and rose and nightingale, voiced Roberts own pet philosophy of wine and song.

Myself, when young, before being introduced to the word of Robert Service, experienced the most exhilarating sensation on first reading the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam. It was as though there was an awakening within me, a whirling Dervish dancing within, as I read.

Ah! With the grape my fading life provide__
And wash my body whence the life has died
And lay me, shrouded in the living leaf
By some not unfrequented garden-side
That ev’n my buried ashes such a snare
Of vintage shall fling up into the air
As not a true believer passing by
But shall be overtaken unaware……Omar Khayyam.

Through swirling waters deep and fast, toward the birth of day,
Through fleeting shadows of the past my spirit fled away
Ever inward I was borne upon the streams of time
Receding back toward the dawn, in the hope somewhere I’d find
Somewhere in my distant past my old friend's hallowed grave
And there I stopped and sat at last, beneath the perfumed shade
Where we talked of this and talked of that and shared our time spanned love
And I drank with him the living wine, ‘neath the waning moon above.
There we listened to the nightingale as she sang her age old song
Of summers bright and winters pale, of Sultans long since gone.
And we watered with our tears of love, the blossoms o’er his grave
Then onward through the mists above, rose another who was saved.
One more has been awoken, one more now lives again
One more has joined the gathering; one more came through the flame,
One more now joins our singing as we hurtle back through time
To introduce “Who We Will Be,” to he from who we came.
Now death, where is your victory, now death, where is your sting,
Rejoice you sons of glory, to “Who You Were,” and “Will be,” sing…..By S-word.

Who would dare to descend to the garden of Omar and bring him up?

In the introduction to Fitzgerald’s translation of Omar’s work. It is written that Omar Khayyam died in the year of 1123 AD, and yet in the Glossary of the self-same book, it is said that he died in 1132 AD. According to the Encyclopaedia Britannica, there is some debate as to whether he died in the year 1123, or 1132. It seems strange that the controversy should be between these two date, because from, (The Perfect Way, P. 247) we read, “As the number of the lunar months, ‘thirteen,’ is the number of the woman and denotes the soul and her reflection of God---The solar number ‘Twelve,’ being that of the spirit.

The two numbers in combination form the perfect year of that duel humanity, which above, is made in the image of God—the true “Christian Year,” wherein the two—the inner and outer, Spirit and Matter—are as one. Thirteen then represents that full union of man with God wherein Christ becomes Christ.

Thirteen, represents the physical person, who reflects perfectly the spiritual being within, (The Father and the Son are one) and is represented as the solar number 12 in combination within the thirteen, as shown here, (1123).

But the true “Christian year” should be where the physical being is translated to a spiritual being, which would be represented by the number combination (1132), the physical number 13, within the spiritual number 12, the old tabernacle, stored within the inner most sanctuary of the glorious Temple. A good translation, loses none of the essence of the original from which it is translated.

So, when did the Great King of the Wise, Omar Khayyam die?

Omar was, among other professions, an Alchemist. The search for the Philosopher’s stone was driven, not by the desire to gain great wealth by turning base metals into gold, but the desire to gain eternal life.

E, Underhill, mysteries. P. 170, The stone swallowed by Cronus/Time, is none other than the “Philosopher’s Stone,” the concealed stone of ‘Many Colours,” (Golden Theatise) “The Mystic Seed” of transcendental life, which should invade, tinge, and wholly transmute the imperfect self into spiritual gold.”

The stone will be a crystal of the same shape as the molecule from which it is formed, Zechariah 3: the prophet speaks of his vision of the high priest Joshua, who is stripped of his old filthy garment and given a new clean turban etc, and a Stone/crystal with seven facets is placed before Joshua with his new clean outer garment.

Is it possible do you suppose, to form a molecule from atoms of matter and atoms of anti-matter, which can be held in equilibrium, a state in which they cannot annihilate each other? Such a body would be able to pass in and out of both dimensions.

Omar:

When we were young I merged with thee the blood of youth still flowing free
The bread, the wine, the poetry, beneath the old forbidden tree.
How sweet the fruit that we have shared, across the gulf of time we dared
To stand before each other bared and free of guilt, embraced and paired.

Our love beyond earth’s great desire, a love that burns more fierce than fire
I lay me down on broken briar, your son upon the funeral pyre.
Like rings of onions you have peeled the mysteries that the atom sealed
God’s heavenly tablets once concealed, to me, through you, the Lord revealed.

May he in me, with love’s desires, wash your body ere it dies
With fragrance sweet that ne’er expires to snare the righteous passer-byes
The spark of life leaps ever higher, spiraling up from fire to fire
To he, who with we did conspire to grasp the scheme of things entire.

The crystal there beside your seat, the written formula incomplete
My brothers now lay at your feet their offerings that you might eat.
Awake my Lord, for now’s the time to offer to the world your wine
Reveal on every written line, your secrets through these words of mine.
May you, when for your morning sup of heavenly vintage from the soil look up
Through wine that drips down, drop by drop, know He, who holds the inverted cup. By…S-word.

 

It is interesting to me that your discourse has become a monologue, that you find yourself, the only one worth quoting.

 

I will respond to your post "primalflow" as you, at least, have something tangible to respond too, unlike some in this forum, who responses have nothing constructive to add to the debate and are simply trolls who wander around babbling incoherent words that have neither substance nor relevancy, and who have ceased to exist in my eyes.

Since the days when mankind realised that all living beings die, and believed that the death of the body in which they, the minds/spirits had developed, was the end of their existence, they have attempted to offer up to the Creator of all that exists, a substitute for their lives, an offering of blood that might be accepted in exchange for their own Life's blood.

 

I don't think you know how to debate.

 

Zephaniah !: 2-3; (2) The Lord said, "I am going to destroy everything on earth. (3) All human beings, animals, birds and fish. I will bring about the downfall of the wicked. I will destroy all mankind, and no survivors will be left. I, the Lord have spoken.” (18) On the day the Lord shows his fury, not even all their gold or silver will save them. The whole earth will be destroyed by the fire of his anger. He will put and end---a sudden end---to everyone who lives on earth.

Revelation 20: At the close of the Great Sabbath, fire will descend from heaven and incinerate all physical life forms on this planet. Thank heavens, by then the sons of mankind will by established on earth, those who have borne the image of the first Adam and like Jesus, the second Adam, they too will have inherited their share of the immortal body of the great heavenly Simulacrum/blueprint, and whose bodies of mortal corruptible matter, will have been translated to immortal incorruptible bodies of light, as was the body of Jesus “The second Adam,” when he appeared to Saul on the road to Damascus.

They will have prepared a genetic bank of all the fish, birds, animals and a more humble race of man, who will be reproduced anew, when this planet is once more able to support physical life forms.

In dream I saw the heavens ablaze with balls of fire
Huge hailstones that were burning and streaking down the sky
The earth was clothed in purple, dark orange and deep blue
Like a swaddling cloth surrounding us that hid the stars from view.
Dark clouds rose from the mountain peaks; Earth’s veins were opened wide
Through which her inner blood spewed forth in streams of living fire
Whole continents, they heaved and tossed, waves rippled through the ground
In all the earth, no hiding place of safety could be found.

The oceans boiled, they foamed and rose, destroying cities on their shores
All the river dams were busted; valley towns were seen no more
The power stations of the earth? All were melted down
A few survivors of the human race were all that could be found.
And then I saw the winter, a winter so sever
It last not a few short months, but many, many years
And the women who were pregnant, O God; the children that they bore!
Grotesque and hideous malformations, I pray to see that sight no more.

Then when the winter lifted and the crops began to grow
A strange and eerie world emerged from the destruction and the snow
A world with neither day nor night, where even rainbows couldn’t form
In the atmosphere above the earth, and yet the air was strangely warm.
A thousand years of twilight and through that swaddling band on high
Three blood red giants were glowing through a hazed and orange sky.
The sun and moon had turned to blood, yet far brighter than the moon
Was Jupiter the heavenly light, which in time would spell man’s doom……..By S-word.

The major volcanic explosion of Hekla 4 in Iceland, which spewed out massive amounts of larva in 2350 BC, coupled with a close encounter with a passing comet and a Tunguska like fireball, which are believed to have been major issues in the inundation of Island that is said to have been left waste for 30 odd years, and the devastating flood around the Mediterranean Sea, which was the known civilized world in the days of Noah around 2350 B.C, will appear as a non-event when compared to the greatest tribulation that man has ever seen or will ever see that is prophesied to occur immediately before “The Day of The Lord.”

If the Magma chamber beneath Yellowstone Park breaks forth, and it is overdue to erupt, then look out world, but that would just be the beginning of the tribulation that will culminate in the annihilation of all physical life forms on this planet. But it's nice to be warned of that which our future holds in store for us, that way we can prepare for the inevitable.

 

sword of fudgement:

Blood for blood?

If I have to be a troll in your eyes ( before not existing in them of course ) do you mind if you're a vampire in mine? : D

 

Then God failed. I don't know a single perfect human.

Nope! And you aint never going to find one: not even the human being that we once knew as Jesus; Matthew 19: 16-17; (16) And behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing should I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, why do you call me good, there is none who is good except God.

Also, this suggests that each of us may be held responsible for the actions of every man that has ever existed.

Nope! You are held responsible only for the sins and mistakes of your Body, Just as the supreme personality of Godhead to the body of the Most High in the creation, which is the body of mankind, in which body the Spiritual SON of God=The Son of Man, develops, and like you and I, He also is held responsible for the sins and mistakes of the body in which he developed.

We are "EVE," the Great expanding pregnant Androgynous body of male and female cells, in whose body develops the heir to the most High throne in the creation, and the body of the woman is justified in the perfected child that she bears.

And if "YOU," the evolving mind/spirit within that sinful body, should happen to fall asleep in righteousness, then the righteous spiritual child, born of that body will justify it's continued existence and it (YOUR BODY) will be resurrected to life.

Psalms 51: 5; "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity and in sin did my mother conceive me."

 

Are you doing anything special to make this happen sword? Or in the inevitability you inevitably ascribe to it, has it already happened, and you're just passing ga... er... the time?

: D

 

Psychedilics?

 

Yea! If ever you receive a visitation of the light being, who appeared to, and blinded the eyes of Saul on the road to Damascus, and as it appears that you don't believe the Holy scriptures, I dare say that you would believe that you had ingested some psychedilic drug.

 

You base your idea of what is pleasing to God on your mistaken idea of what a partially quoted Scripture taken out of context means. Five words out of the thousands of words on the subject found in the Bible, that disagree with your mistaken idea of what they mean.

Here is what Paul, who was inspired by Holy Spirit, had to say on this favorite subject of yours;

Hence when he comes into the world he says: “‘Sacrifice and offering you did not want, but you prepared a body for me. You did not approve of whole burnt offerings and sin [offering].’ Then I said, ‘Look! I am come (in the roll of the book it is written about me) to do your will, O God.’” After first saying: “You did not want nor did you approve of sacrifices and offerings and whole burnt offerings and sin [offering]”—[sacrifices] that are offered according to the Law— then he actually says: “Look! I am come to do your will.” He does away with what is first that he may establish what is second. By the said “will” we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all time. (Hebrews 10:5-10)

 

Ho hum

 

You go too far, to actually compare Jesus' sacrifice to the pagan slaughter of chickens is an abomination.

Once again it seems you will say almost anything to keep others from accepting and benefiting from Jesus' ransom sacrifice.